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Schon die Location allein sorgt für Aufmerksamkeit: Auch wenn der Park teilweise geschlossen war, vermittelte das Conference Center mit direktem Zugang zu ausgewählten Parkbereichen ein einzigartiges Ambiente, das Freizeitpark-Feeling und Fortbildung kombinierte.\u003C\u002Fp>\n\u003Cp data-start=\"760\" data-end=\"1348\">Die Konferenz selbst präsentierte sich überraschend kompakt und die Veranstalter:innen meldeten rund 500 Anmeldungen. Das Programm war breit gefächert: Neben klassischen Developer-Themen wie AI, Data, Infrastructure und Cloud gab es auch Sessions zu Women in Tech oder Personal Branding. Besonders gefallen haben praxisnahe und technische Vorträge, zum Beispiel zu Vektordatenbanken oder zum Constraint-Development.\u003C\u002Fp>\n\u003Cp data-start=\"760\" data-end=\"1348\">Die DevLand überrascht mit einem spannenden Preismodell: Das günstigste Ticket kostete knapp 100 Euro, während höhere Ticketstufen zusätzliche Benefits wie Catering, Fastlane-Sitzplätze und Networking-Events boten. Damit war die Konferenz trotz exklusiver Location überraschend zugänglich und bot ein gutes Preis-Leistungs-Verhältnis.\u003C\u002Fp>\n\u003Cp data-start=\"1840\" data-end=\"2359\">Organisatorisch wurde deutlich, dass die DevLand natürlich in ihrem ersten Jahr noch Wachstumspotenzial hat: Während Keynotes und Sessions teilweise rar besucht waren, konnte die Location bei Bedarf mehr Platz bieten. \u003C\u002Fp>\n\u003Cp data-start=\"2361\" data-end=\"2863\">Abschließend diskutiert die Crew darüber, dass die Kombination aus Content, Networking und Freizeitpark-Erlebnis eine besondere Konferenzatmosphäre schafft. Trotz kleiner organisatorischer Herausforderungen bietet die DevLand einen guten Mix aus Fachwissen, Inspiration und Spaß. Jan empfiehlt, die Konferenz im nächsten Jahr im Auge zu behalten.\u003C\u002Fp>","https:\u002F\u002Fwww.buzzsprout.com\u002F176239\u002Fepisodes\u002F18945359-spezialfolge-devland-2026-aus-dem-europa-park.mp3","https:\u002F\u002Fwww.youtube.com\u002Fwatch?v=gJym-XwxVOE",{"id":15,"title":16,"description":8,"tags":8,"location":8,"filename_disk":17,"filename_download":18,"metadata":19,"type":20,"filesize":21,"modified_by":8,"modified_on":22,"embed":8,"uploaded_by":23,"uploaded_on":24,"folder":8,"width":25,"height":25,"charset":8,"duration":8},"b1d6a578-77e2-481b-aeea-8cf0a96a416f","Special Devland2026","b1d6a578-77e2-481b-aeea-8cf0a96a416f.png","Special_devland2026.png",{},"image\u002Fpng","1559142","2026-03-27T09:34:45.091Z","11a655b6-bcfc-4c6c-a13c-68189e38edb9","2026-03-27T09:34:45.089Z",1500,[],[28,47],{"member":29},{"id":30,"first_name":31,"last_name":32,"occupation":33,"description":34,"normal_image":35},"47099351-508c-44d9-a2a2-855181c72ee8","Jan Gregor","Emge-Triebel","\u002F\u002F programmier.bar Tech Community Lead \u002F\u002F Podcast-Host","\u003Cp>Jan ist ein echter Technik-Fan mit einer facettenreichen Karriere, die sich über Web-, Mobile-App-Entwicklung und DevOps erstreckt. Dank seiner vielfältigen Rollen – vom Entwickler über den Teamleiter bis hin zum Vice President Development – verfügt Jan über einen großen Erfahrungsschatz in der Softwareentwicklung und Developer Advocacy.\u003Cbr>Seine Leidenschaften jenseits der Technik reichen von Tauchgängen an exotischen Orten über das Eintauchen in digitale wie analoge Spiele bis hin zum Abtauchen in gelungene Plot-Twists in Büchern und Filmen.\u003C\u002Fp>",{"id":36,"title":37,"description":8,"tags":8,"location":8,"filename_disk":38,"filename_download":39,"metadata":40,"type":41,"filesize":42,"modified_by":8,"modified_on":43,"embed":8,"uploaded_by":44,"uploaded_on":45,"folder":8,"width":46,"height":46,"charset":8,"duration":8},"ef7c0ccb-a2b5-48a0-8261-c8bbfffd917b","Jan CD","ef7c0ccb-a2b5-48a0-8261-c8bbfffd917b.jpg","Jan_CD.jpg",{},"image\u002Fjpeg","649400","2024-07-26T09:26:17.846Z","e97179d2-51b3-4deb-828f-9524091441f5","2024-07-26T09:26:17.710Z",1024,{"member":48},{"id":49,"first_name":50,"last_name":51,"occupation":52,"description":53,"normal_image":54},"958f6624-c721-4ff9-8a97-69148f540945","Dennis","Becker","\u002F\u002F Podcast-Host","\u003Cp>Dennis ist Head of Development bei Lotum und kümmert sich liebevoll um die Entwickler:innen und deren Weiterentwicklung. \u003Cbr>In den Podcastfolgen übernimmt Dennis gerne die Moderation. Beim täglichen Tischtennis ist er immer am Start und seit wenigen Jahren passionierter Kitesurfer. Mittlerweile ist er auch Vibe Coder mit Leidenschaft und überzeugt, dass seine Kolleg:innen AI unterschätzen. \u003C\u002Fp>",{"id":55,"title":56,"description":8,"tags":8,"location":8,"filename_disk":57,"filename_download":58,"metadata":8,"type":41,"filesize":59,"modified_by":8,"modified_on":60,"embed":8,"uploaded_by":8,"uploaded_on":61,"folder":8,"width":46,"height":46,"charset":8,"duration":8},"7a9fd72e-16b1-4283-8c1f-348a3e7986f9","Dennis Becker","7a9fd72e-16b1-4283-8c1f-348a3e7986f9.jpg","dennis_becker_normal_01e352e682.jpg","45729","2022-01-16T14:26:35.196Z","2021-12-30T14:16:28.647Z",[],[],[],[],482,204,[],{"id":70,"service":71,"supported_features":72,"speakers":75,"raw_response":81},"d95cb10b-fcbd-4654-ad47-2f89adde61ac","deepgram",[73,74],"timestamps","diarization",[76,78],{"identifier":77,"name":50},"0",{"identifier":79,"name":80},"1","Jan",{"metadata":82,"results":96},{"transaction_key":83,"request_id":84,"sha256":85,"created":86,"duration":87,"channels":88,"models":89,"model_info":91},"deprecated","31d3b190-5091-4cfc-8e00-ede0a44b3791","3aaeecfe5f25ce763b731fa707a5d793d9385e8b7469f763321ba4114ee627de","2026-04-01T16:10:05.831Z",2236.09,1,[90],"91f8eabe-2126-4ed4-9e56-d480032309b3",{"91f8eabe-2126-4ed4-9e56-d480032309b3":92},{"name":93,"version":94,"arch":95},"2-general-nova","2024-05-09.3071","nova-2",{"channels":97,"utterances":21110},[98],{"alternatives":99},[100],{"transcript":101,"confidence":102,"words":103,"paragraphs":19765},"Hallo und herzlich willkommen zu einem neuen Programmierbar Special. Ich bin Special? Dennis Becker und neben mir sitzt Jan Gregor im Getriebe. Mit extra viel Pause. Mit extra viel Pause und eben. So ist es, cool, schon ist es immer so stark, das ebenke oder nur weil wir immer den Witz mit Getriebe machen. Ich hab keine Ahnung, ich hab 3 Radmo lang gezogen. Okay. EMke. Ja, herzlich willkommen. Gefühlt haben wir die ganze Zeit, also das ist ja dann in in dem Kalender der Podcast nicht unbedingt so, aber zumindest die Aufnahmen, die ich im Moment habe, haben eine sehr hohe Taktung. Von daher gefühlt hauen wir viel raus und auch viele Specials. Auch die Veröffentlichung hat eine hohe Taktung, weil wir machen im Prinzip quasi im Wochentag gerade, obwohl wir eigentlich nur alle 2 Wochen machen. Ich hab voll mal hochgerechnet, wenn wir das so durchhalten, dann haben wir dieses Jahr noch mehr Podcasts als letztes Jahr. Dabei war das noch nicht mal 'n Ziel. Nee. Und eigentlich hab ich das auch komplett abgeschrieben, weil wir hatten ja die Schotter als letztes Jahr, die das so künstlich hochgeschoben haben und ich hätte gedacht, nie wieder machen wir so viele Podcasts mir, aber wir sind auf 'nem sehr guten Kurs. Sehr gut. Heute sprechen wir aber nicht über Podcasts, sondern wir sprechen über Konferenzen, beziehungsweise ihr habt zugeschaltet zu einem Recap 1 weiteren Konferenz, die wir besucht haben. Und wenn ich von wir spreche, dann spreche ich von der Programmierbar, denn tatsächlich da in Person war nur 1 von uns beiden und das warst Du Jan. Yes. Ich war, also eigentlich hätten wir ja zu zweit auf die Deatland gesollt, auf der wir waren. Wir waren da eingeladen, Teil des Abendprogramms zu sein. Das hat dann aus verschiedensten logistischen Gründen nicht geklappt. Dementsprechend hat sich Julian dann kurzfristig entschieden, doch auch zu Hause zu bleiben, andere Sachen noch anstanden und dann stand ich alleine in Rust im Europapark. Raus im Europapark. Also, nochmal, das hast Du also nehmen wir, die haben wir aber nicht richtig erwähnt, Dafland. Das ist die Konferenz, die es geht. Die hat stattgefunden am zwölften und dreizehnten März im Europapark und auch hier weiß ich nicht genau auf dem Schedule, aber wir haben noch eine Folge aufgenommen zur, weil die ja im gleichen Termin stattfand. Und auch am gleichen Tag veröffentlicht wird die Folge. Ach, die kommt mit am gleichen Tag die Folge. Das war dein Vorschlag zumindest und wir haben das so in den Kalender gesehen. Ist ein sehr guter Folge. Ja, ich glaube, das ist unglaublich. Richtig, also Rocket Science, dass man da überhaupt drauf gekommen ist. Ja, ja. Das könnt ihr dann in der Parallelfolge hören sozusagen, was dort passiert ist, was im gleichen Datum war. Judi, so, eigentlich hat die mich ja stark getriggert, die Konferenz. Ja, ich war auch hart. Enttäuscht, dass Du nicht mitbekommen bist, muss ich sagen. Einfach nur auf auf Basis des Fakts, dass Europa Park mit dem Titel oder im subtile steht, dass es dort stattfindet. Ich hab aber auch gleichzeitig damals schon gesagt, ich bin mal gespannt, wie viel Europa Park dort ist, weil wenn ich's jetzt wirklich so die full flatged Experience wär, dann ist ja auch irgendwie schwer zu entscheiden, soll ich jetzt 'n Talk gehen, kann ich lieber Achterbahn fahren, was mache ich den ganzen Tag? Aber, genau, Kurz hast Du ja schon 'n bisschen berichtet, mir gegenüber. Ich weiß nicht, ist nicht der der relevanteste Fakt, aber fangen wir vielleicht mal mit dem Setting an so. Wie viel Europapark war denn auf der Daveland? Also ich find das schon 'n relevanten Teil, weil wenn ihr auf die Daveland Webseite geht und son bisschen anschaut, wie sie sich auch positionieren und bewerben, dann werben sie ja schon sehr stark damit, dass es im Europapark stattfindet und dass quasi Freizeitparkatmosphäre und Gefühl Teil der Experience ist. Und das geht ja sogar so weit, als dass ich sagen würde, die Außendarstellung ist ja schon sehr stark darauf optimiert, son bisschen das Ganze nicht nur als Fortbildung, sondern auch als Teamevent irgendwie verkaufen, so gemeinsam, also Spaß und Lernstelle irgendwie gleichermaßen im im Vordergrund. Und deshalb find ich's schon fair, das irgendwie da auch mit mit reinzuziehen. Die Frage, wie viel Europapark jetzt tatsächlich in der Konferenz steckt, weniger als gedacht. Ich glaub ehrlicherweise auch weniger als von den Veranstaltern erhofft. Mhm. So. Zum Vergleich Bist Du da Achterbahn gefahren, vielleicht? Ich bin in Achterbahn gefahren. Also so the Elephant in room, ja, es gab Achterbahnen so, ja. Es gab auf Freizeitpark Fast Food, sag ich mal, Systemgastronomie, ja, Catering und so. Aber es war halt wesentlich weniger als der. Also zum einen ist ja der Europapark noch zu. Der Europapark ist 1 der wenigen Themenparks, glaub ich, so, die saisonal geschlossen haben. Ich glaub, Dezember, Januar, Februar ist da quasi Schicht im Schacht und irgendwann im März machen sie wieder auf. Mhm. Und in diese Zeit ist da die Deadline gefallen. Das heißt, das war sowieso kein regulärer Freizeitparkbetrieb. Ja. Sondern es waren quasi nur vereinzelt Teile des Parks für uns geöffnet. Die Konferenz selbst hat in diesem, ich glaub Confex heißt dieses Confeence Center, was wir da vor an dem Europapark angeflanscht haben, da hat er stattgefunden und das ist quasi so an der Außenmauer des Europaparks, das heißt, Du gehst quasi in das Conference Center rein, kannst hinten raus quasi in den Park sozusagen reingehen. Kannst dann da den den Park quasi nutzen für die Mittagspause, kannst da essen gehen und und so weiter, aber es hatten halt überhaupt keine Fahrgeschäfte erst mal auf. So. Es hatten dann abends eine Achterbahn für uns geöffnet, die ich sag immer Euro sat, aber so heißt sie nicht mehr. Sie heißt jetzt nämlich? Ja. Kong Kong. Ja, irgendwie sowas. Conco Poster, glaube ich, irgendwie sowas. Trotz Euro sat. Für mich immer Euro Ich weiß nicht, ob wir sogar offiziell auch noch Euro sat irgendwo da mit drin ist in dem Namen Euro sat Conkonkurs oder trotzdem. Ah, ja. Aber das Ding in der Kugel. Ja, genau. Das Ding das Ding in der Kugel hatte da geöffnet. Aber ich kenn das auch von anderen Konferenzen, die in, an, 'n Freizeitpark stattgefunden haben, dass es eigentlich so ist, dass irgendwie mehr vom Park geöffnet ist, gerade auch, was so die Fahrgeschäfte angehen, sodass man zum Beispiel in der Mittagspause irgendwie mal was fahren kann oder so was ja. Oder ehrlicherweise auch, wenn man mal 'n Slot findet, wo irgendwie kein Talk relevant ist, dass man da was machen kann. Also man kann das, glaub ich, schon intensiver verbinden. Was, glaub ich, Teil der Geschichte ist, ist, dass auf der Deflant gefühlt weniger Teilnehmerinnen waren, als, glaube ich, die Veranstalter erhofft hatten. So. Du kannst auch noch ganz kurz in den Kontext bringen, wer, also das ist ja nicht die einzige Konferenz, die jeder im Europa stattgefunden hat und hat der auch was mit der Devland zu tun, soweit ich weiß? Ja. Also die Devland wird quasi von dem denselben Köpfen verantwortet, die auch für die Javaland zuständig sind. Die Javaland ist, wie der Name schon vermuten lässt, eine Java Konferenz, die auch von der DOHG eben, die 2 Tage, 3 Tage vor der Defland veranstaltet wird. Da war ich auch, weil ich im Prinzip einen Tag zu früh angereist bin, da bin ich noch in die Javaland rein, hab mir das Ganze mal angeguckt. Selbe Räumlichkeiten, selbes Setup, das wird im Prinzip werden nur so die Banner ausgetauscht mitten in der Nacht vom Übergang. Aber die ist halt deutlich voller. Also da sind bestimmt irgendwie 1000 Leute gewesen oder so was, ja, und auf der Defland waren jetzt laut Veranstalterangaben 500 Anmeldungen da. Ich muss ehrlich sagen, ich hab nie so viele Leute auf einmal gesehen. Ich hab mal während 1 der Keynotes durchgezählt und ich hätte vom Bauchgefühl her eher gesagt zwischen 2 und 300, aber ich mein, auch auf Konferenzen verläuft sicher die Masse, also will ich da jetzt niemandem unterstellen, die Unwahrheit zu sagen, aber es hat sich halt nicht nach 500 Leuten angefühlt. Und ich glaube, wenn Du halt nur ein paar wenige 100 Leute hast, dann ist es am Ende wahrscheinlich auch eine eine Preis- und Logistikfrage, wie viel Freizeitpark man dafür dann für diese paar Leute halt noch öffnen kann am Ende des Tages, ne. Mhm. So. Und wenn man sich aber anschaut, wie die Javaland funktioniert und wie das Ganze auch funktionieren kann, wenn das 'n bisschen größer ist, dann ist es, glaub ich, auch okay, der in ihrem, das hab ich, glaub ich, auch gar nicht erwähnt, in ihrem ersten Jahr jetzt, son bisschen zu gönnen, dass sie halt 'n bisschen kleiner ist. So, ich kann mir schon vorstellen, dass das vielleicht in ein oder 2 Jahren, wenn das son bisschen Wachstum mitgenommen hat, dann ähnlich groß sein kann wie die Javaland oder vielleicht sogar größer, weil's ja viel breiteres Publikum auch ist am Ende des Tages. Aber war das denn dann anders, also war die also weil wir grad noch bei Europa Park waren, war die Europa Park Experience auf der Javaland, wenn Du ja auch da warst, anders? Ja. Die Europa Park Experience auf der Javaland war insoweitgehend anders, dass mehr Coaster geöffnet hatten an den Javaland Abenden. Okay. Und dass mehr zum Beispiel Restaurants in den Parks auch geöffnet hatten, Quick Service Sachen, denen noch mal irgendwie zwischendrin was zu holen oder so. Also da hat man einfach gesehen, wo das Potenzial quasi noch sein könnte. Okay. Und ich vermute, das kannst Du dann auch noch deutlich höher skalieren oder? Also vom Platz. Ja, ich hatte ja im Vorfeld, wie gesagt, na wir hätten ja son bisschen das Teil des Programms eigentlich sein sollen, bisschen mit den Veranstaltern gesprochen und das ist ja eigentlich die Idee hinter der Devland ne, so breiter skalieren zu können als die Javaland das vielleicht jemals kann, weil Devland für alle Devfs, Javaland nur in Anführungszeichen für Javadefs. Also nächstes Jahr nicht mehr relevant. Das hast Du jetzt gesagt. Grüße gehen raus. Ja. Aber also im Prinzip ist ja genau das Du hast Du hast im Prinzip die Räumlichkeiten in dem Content Center, Du hast die Hotels nebendran und Du hast Räumlichkeiten im Europapark. Du kannst den Park Stück für stückweise öffnen. Also es war jetzt, während sowohl Deffland als auch Javaland war im Prinzip nur dieser deutsch italienisch französische Teil ganz am Anfang geöffnet, aber Du kannst ja im Prinzip immer mehr von dem Park halt nutzen, so wie's grade erforderlich ist. Und dann ist wahrscheinlich eher die Frage, inwieweit skaliert's dann halt noch so mit den, ich sag mal, Wartungsarbeiten, die halt auch parallel im Park stattfinden. Das hat man schon auch gesehen, wenn man mit der Bahn durch den Park gefahren ist, zurück zum Hotel zu kommen oder so, da wird ja schon einiges geschafft im Europa Park. Wenn der zuhört, also die haben ja nicht umsonst zu, sondern die nutzen dieses Zeitfenster ja für viel Wartungsarbeit und das ist, glaube ich, das einzige Constrant, was sie dann so bei weiterer Skalierung hätten, aber ansonsten wär der Park ja nur für sie da. Hast Du in sonem Europapark Hotel geschlafen? Yes. Das kann man vielleicht auch dazu sagen, ich sag jetzt mal noch nicht beim Content, aber Rahmenbedingungen gibt's auch. Sie hatten sehr faires Pricing, was so Hotelübernachtungspakete angeht. Also Du konntest über die Devland quasi Hotelübernachtung im Park buchen und ich glaube, ich hab da so 100 paar zerquetschte Euro pro Nacht bezahlt für 'n Einzelzimmer, was mittlerweile, glaub ich, son ganggängiger Preis ist. Ich mein, Du rufst es natürlich Und dort vor allen Dingen, also wenn der Europa offen hat, sind die ja wahnsinnig teuer diese Zimmer. Ja, das hab ich dann auch mal so im Vergleichpunkt, die kosten da teilweise 3, viermal so viel, also alles alles fair. Und da auch wahrscheinlich der Punkt, ne, die haben haben ja ansonsten zu, die würden das gar nicht ausgelastet bekommen so und dementsprechend kann man da auch 'n gutes Pricing irgendwie anbieten. Aber ich bin ja mit meiner Familie danach noch 'n bisschen länger geblieben, noch Park und Rolandica und so anzugucken. Dann haben wir natürlich die Hotel über Nacht selber bezahlt, war in 'nem anderen Hotel. Und das war schon also nicht so preiswert wie das, was man da über Mhm. Dann die die Konferenzkonditionen quasi bekommt. Und ihr wart im gleichen Hotel? Nein. Nein, nein, okay. Also wahrscheinlich machen die ja auch komplett zu, oder? Die haben dann tatsächlich auch das Hotel wieder zugemacht. Ja. So. Ich hab so meinen Koffer in der Gepäckaufbewahrung gelassen während des letzten Konferenztags. Da hieß es nur so, ja, Sie müssten den Koffer bis 6 Uhr abends abgeholt haben, weil sonst ist hier niemand mehr. Okay. Okay. Ja, verrückt. Spannend. Gut. Dafland. Dafland. Wie ist 'n das oder die Kommunikation, wer soll denn da hinkommen? Alle. Und ich glaube, das haben sie auch geschafft. Also man merkt natürlich sowohl dem Klientel als auch dem Programm son bisschen an, dass sie aus dem aus diesem Java Umfeld kommen, ja. Es gab schon son paar einzelnen Talks, der java lastig waren. Es waren auch viele Leute da, die einfach auch auf der Javaland waren und dann quasi sozusagen verlängert haben, sich die definitiv auch noch anzugucken. Aber ein ein deutlich größerer Teil der Talks war eigentlich sehr holistisch, wenn's Architektur geht, wenn's Datenschutz geht, wenn's Cloud Infrastruktur geht, wenn's AI geht, das hat ja alles relativ wenig Java Spezifisches und da kann im Prinzip jeder hin, es gab auch Themen, die son bisschen nicht Techy, was heißt nicht Techy, es gab es gab Talks über Management, Product. Ja, auch. Es gab aber auch Talks über so Personal Branding auf LinkedIn. Mhm. Es gab auch Talks zu Women in Tech. Es gab auch Talks zu Burn out und so, ähnliche Sachen, Lightning Talks auch noch. Also es ist schon sehr breitaufstädten. Das ist ja auch das Ziel hinten dran, ne? Ne. Ja. Und das war ja auch eben kein böser gemeinter Kommentar mit DJvaland. Gibt's da nicht mehr nächstes Jahr. Aber es ist ja tatsächlich, als ich mein, ne, im Hintergrund haben wir ja auch schon ab und zu mal gesprochen, so auch für die Programmierbar, ohne dass wir jetzt 'n konkreten Contentplan haben und sagen, das müssen die nächsten Themen sein, aber sehr automatisch verschiebt verschiebt sich das natürlich, ne. Und auch die Frage in den regulären News Folgen, die wir haben, ne, macht da dann zukünftig das Update zu, weiß ich nicht, Tailwind Sinn so, ne, also weil sich einfach, ja, der oder die Entwickler*innen halt nicht mehr damit so beschaffen beschäftigen müssen und dann eher Teamstrukturen, wie arbeitet man mit den Tools und so weiter, solche Themen halt dann jetzt relevanter werden für das gleiche Zielpublikum, aber halt mit 'n bisschen anderen Inhalten. Insofern ist es ja wahrscheinlich gar nicht so doof, sich da 'n bisschen anders aufzustellen. Und wenn man sich die Tracks anguckt, dann sieht man auch, dass sie eigentlich relativ wenig also Stackspezifische Sachen hatten, sag ich mal. Ja, also die Tracks waren AI, Data, Infrastructure, jetzt muss ich auch mal Notizen gucken, Infrastructure, Cloud, Carrier und so Visionary, was so dieser Produkt, Ziel Level Management Track irgendwie war. Aber da ist jetzt nichts dabei von Frontend, Backend, Datenbanken. Das hat zwar auch überall immer son bisschen stattgefunden, aber das hat man auf anderen Konferenzen schon auch sehr viel technischer erlebt, so, ne? Muss man auch sagen. Okay und wenn Du jetzt 5 oder 6 Tracks aufgezählt hast, das ist ja dann relativ viel für 500 Leute, vermute ich. Also oder beziehungsweise ich meine, ist natürlich schwierig, wenn Du jetzt das allererste Mal sone Konferenz machst und keine Ahnung, aber der Anspruch ist ja wahrscheinlich dann, den kann man ja schon 'n bisschen ablesen, wenn irgendwo, war's ein, nee, 2 Tage sogar, ne? 2 Tage, 6 Tracks, aber es waren noch nicht alle Tracks zu jeder Zeit voll bespielt. Okay. Es gab einen großen Raum, wo auch die Keynotes stattfinden, da waren schon immer auch am meisten Leute. Die anderen Räume waren so in der Größenordnung, wo ich sag mal, Du mit 50 Leuten noch angenehm sitzen konntest, ja. Aber es waren tatsächlich auch manche der Talks eher sehr rar besucht. Ich hab Talks erlebt, wo ich in 'nem 50 Mann Raum mit vielleicht 70 Personen gesessen hab und am Ende haben noch hinten Leute gestanden, ja, das ist auch vollkommen. Aber ich hab auch Sessions erlebt, wo man mit 5 Leuten irgendwie drin gesessen hat, was, glaub ich, auf jeder Konferenz passieren kann. Ich find das aber auch per se immer nicht schlecht, solange der Speaker sich davon nicht unter oder die Speakerin nicht unterkriegen lässt und son bisschen entmutigt dann irgendwie dasteht, kann das ja auch eine sehr coole Atmosphäre sein. Ja, ja. Und dieser Keynoteraum, was hat der für eine Kapazität? Also wie groß könnte man praktisch sone gemeinsame Keynote machen? Ich müsste überlegen. Ich glaub während der würd ich vermuten, dass da so 300 Leute vielleicht reingepasst hätten von der Bestuhlung. Da waren auch Stehtische hinten dran und so weiter. Also man hätte auch alle angeblich 500 angemeldeten da irgendwie reinkriegen können. Während der Javaland war er ungefähr doppelt so groß bestult, also das wurde quasi mehr Trennwand dann noch noch weggenommen und dann hätten da bestimmt auch, weiß ich nicht, 800000 Leute oder so sitzen können. Also da war schon deutlich mehr Platz noch. Können da noch reinwachsen, sagen wir's mal so. Mhm. Ja, aber, weil wir gerade über am Anfang über die Skalierung und es gibt verschiedene Sachen noch und so. Ich fänd es ja irgendwie immer ganz schön, wenn wenn diese, wenn Keynotes oder so was irgendwie womöglich gemeinsam sind. Aber ich hab grad überlegt, keine Ahnung, ob der Video Developers, wo dann irgendwie 10000 Entwickler*innen sind, da ist natürlich auch nicht so. Ich mein, da wird das halt, da gibt's halt eine und da sind auch dann wahrscheinlich schon irgendwie x, das ist wahrscheinlich über 1000, die da reingehen. Aber ich würde sagen, Mensch, auf der trotzdem auf die anderen Sachen. Auf der Google Cloud Next jetzt ja schon 'n paar Mal auch waren und da ist ja immer die Keynote im son in soner Sportarena. Mhm. Und wenn Du dann mit, ich weiß nicht, 15000 Leuten da sitzt und am Ende 'n sehr ungünstigen Platz hast, dann guckst Du ja am Ende auch irgendwie mehr auf diesen Jumbo Tron in der Mitte als auf die Bühne vor dir. Dann ist es auch vom Streaming ehrlicherweise nicht so weit weg irgendwer. Du bist son bisschen im im Raum und hast von der Atmosphäre noch was und die Begeisterung bei manchen Themen kriegst Du noch mit. Aber ja, ich glaub, realistischerweise alles über 1000 Leute wird dann irgendwann 'n bisschen distanzierter. Und weil Du grade sagst, dass alle für sone Kino zusammenbringen, das ist auch was, vielleicht so mein persönlich größter Knackpunkt an an der Deadline. Also da ist halt, hat eine Keynote Inflation stattgefunden, das hab ich noch nicht erlebt. Also ich bin ja, ich mein, wir haben das auch bei der Programmierkunden schon gehabt, diese Diskussion, wie viele Keynotes verträgt sone Konferenz eigentlich? Wir hatten bei uns 2, so eine pro Tag, das finde ich ganz gut. Und also es heißt ja auch Keynote, weil das so die Schlüsselnote setzen soll, so. Weil ein ein Impuls mal irgendwie so, womit wollen wir uns beschäftigen, was ist so die die Stimmung, was ist so das Thema? Und ich glaube, ich hab mir das irgendwie rausgeschrieben, es gab 10 Keynotes auf diesen 2 Tagen, ja, Session Keynote und Track Keynote und Opening Keynote und Community. Nein, also wenn alles eine Keynote ist, ist nichts eine Keynote irgendwie, so, ja. Also da sollten wir vielleicht noch mal drüber nachdenken. Ich bin auch, als ich angekommen oder ziemlich vorbereitet hab und die Agenda so durch bin und man schreibt's ja immer so raus, wo wie man hin, hab ich auch die ersten 2, oh, Keynote hier, Keynote da, da muss ich hin. Und irgendwie nach der vierten Keynote dacht ich mir so, nee, also jetzt jetzt ist auch egal. Hast Du recht, ja. Okay, spannend. Gut und wo hast Du dich persönlich aufgehalten? Also Plan war ja eigentlich, Jens der Achterbahn zu fahren, das ist ist nicht in Erfüllung gegangen. Ja, am liebsten hätte ich mich auf der Silverstar aufgehalten, die ganzen Tag. Das hat leider nicht so einen Satz. Deine Lieblingsachterbahn im Europapark. Ich musste feststellen, ich war, glaub ich, 5, 10 oder 15 Jahre nicht im Europapark. Mhm. Wir fahren ja hier mit, also ihr fahrt ja mit der Firma jedes Jahr dahin und das hat für mich noch nicht geklappt. Und da jetzt war ich dadurch dann festgestellt, dass da so viele Sachen sind, die ich noch gar nicht gefahren bin. Von daher, ja, tatsächlich das letzte Große, was ich mitgekriegt hab, war so Silverstar. Aber ich muss immer sagen, mein mein persönliches Highlight war eigentlich schon immer die Euro mir, weil ich das vom Fahrgefühl cooler finde. Also Silverstar zwar auch so, ne, son paar coole Jobs und so, aber das Schöne in der Euro mir den den großen Ausblick zu haben in dem Park und diese Tränen und Sitze und so, das gibt mir irgendwie mehr. Tja. Ich glaube dann Ja, ist vorbei. In der Euro mir gibt's nicht mehr, hab ich gehört. Also gibt's vielleicht irgendwann wieder, oder? Ja, ich glaube, ja, es soll mehr oder weniger einen werden, aber ich meine, es war letztes Jahr das letzte Ja, ja, also ist schon ist schon zu. Hat man auch was gesehen, als wir durch 'n Park gefahren sind, dass da schon jetzt dieser Wartebereich abgebaut und so was alles. Ja. Hab ich hab ich schon mehrfach festgestellt. Aber brauche ich mich aufgehalten? Ja, ich war tatsächlich, also ich versuch, wenn ich auf so eine Konferenz gehe und die aus in Anführungszeichen journalistischer Sicht besuche, also für die programmierbar und nicht, mich halt selbst in irgend 'nem speziellen Bereich weiterzubilden, versuche ich auch so bewusst in die Talks reinzugehen, wo ich eigentlich nie reingehen würde, einfach mal son bisschen zu gucken, wie ist das da so? Und war zum Beispiel in einem Talk gelandet über Vektordatenbanken von einem Professor Olaf Herden von der DHBW, wo ich dachte, okay, das bestimmt so 2 Level zu hoch für mich, aber ist ja cool, dass sie auch son Level irgendwie anbieten und der hat es tatsächlich verdammt gut geschafft, son Talk zu sonem sehr, sehr technischen Thema zu halten und eine sehr schnelle, sehr tiefe Einführung zu machen, alle erst mal so auf einen die Wut zu bringen, so und dann halt so zu besprechen, ne, wie macht man irgendwie so und wie berechnet man irgendwie Distanzen in soner Vektordatenbank und wie entsteht son Vektor überhaupt und bla. Und das fand ich krass, weil das ist was, was meiner Meinung nach ganz oft auf so Konferenzen irgendwie fehlt. Nicht nur so, ich bin Anwender von irgend 'nem Framework oder von irgend 'ner Library und zeig euch jetzt, wie das geht, sondern so richtig Grundlagenwissen irgendwie zu vermitteln, ja, und das fand ich irgendwie mal 'n 'n cooles Beispiel. Aber auch natürlich in vielen AI Talks irgendwie, ja, zu, wie baust Du eigene Modelle oder wie fineunes Du irgendwie eigene Modelle mit deinen eigenen Daten? Da gab's 'n paar coole Vorträge von Cedric Clayburn, der bei Red Head arbeitet und da son bisschen AI Developer Relations macht. Es gab 'n paar Vorträge von Adorses, die irgendwie auch Partner oder Sponsor oder so was waren und auch viel von ihrer eigenen Arbeit gezeigt haben und auch tatsächlich da ganz interessante Sachen gezeigt haben, son bisschen über QA und wie schafft man irgendwie verlässliches Knowledge ohne Halluzinationen irgendwie aufzubauen. Ich hab Talks gesehen von Leuten, die wir von der Programmier selber schon kennen, die hier schon mal Speaker oder Gast waren oder bald mal sein werden. Also es war 'n sehr bunt gemischtes Publikum, wie auf jeder Konferenz hat man auch die ein oder andere Niete gezogen, aber nicht, weil der Speaker jetzt irgendwie schlecht ist und sone Zeit thematisch manchmal nicht passt. Aber ich glaub bei, Moment, lass mich kurz mal in die Notizen gucken, über 80 Talks, die es halt irgendwie parallel dann gab, ja, ist es auch okay, wenn am Ende jetzt nicht jeder irgendwie auf einen passt. Ja. Ich hab 'n coolen Talk gesehen über Constrrain Development, was auch für uns tatsächlich superpraktisch wär, so, wenn man sich unsere Spiele anguckt, ne, sowas wie Wordblitz oder Word Search, wie baut man halt so Boards zusammen, wie evaluiert man, wie kann man halt schnell prüfen, ob man die lösen kann und wie schwer die zu lösen sind und so und so, ne? Wie formuliert man diese Constrins und wie bewertet man die am Ende? Und wie kann man diesen Ansatz vielleicht auch nutzen, KI generierten Output irgendwie zu validieren und zu bewerten, dann wieder Reanforcement Learning darauf zu machen und so was. War schon, es war schon teilweise sehr technisch auch, ja. Ja, cool. Price Point. Ja, Price Point für mich nichts, weil Programmierer und wir ja wie gesagt eingeladen waren. Ja. Aber tatsächlich 'n sehr interessantes Pricing Modell, was ich so, glaub ich, noch nicht explizit gesehen hab. Die Deadline hat versucht ein oder hat's auch geschafft, meiner Meinung nach einen sehr zugänglichen Preispunkt zu finden. Ich glaub, das günstigste Ticket kostet knapp unter 100 Euro, 99, 95 irgendwie so was für die 2 Tage. Und hat aber dann so Abstriche wie, Du bist nicht im Abendprogramm eingeladen und hast kein Catering den Tag über. Also was, wenn man sich an die Programmierkunden erinnert, ja auch einfach riesengroßen Kostenpunkte so hinterher. Du hast dann, kannst dann Getränke kaufen und kannst auch Essen kaufen, alles kein kein Ding. Aber da wird halt son bisschen gespart, quasi das dafür mehr zugänglich zu machen. Und dann gab's das reguläre Ticket, was so bei, ich glaub, 2, 300 Euro dann lag, je nachdem, Early Bird, bla bla bla. Und dann geht's noch weiter mit, es gab auch son Fast Lane Pass, was so voll in dieses Freizeitparkmotto irgendwie rein ist. Es gab in jedem Raum so vorne eine reservierte Reihe an Stühlen, die Du halt nur nehmen könntest, wenn Du irgendwie im Fast Fan Pass warst und musst es nicht anstrengen, kannst da direkt rein. Also was von der Idee wahrscheinlich interessant wär, hab ich auch schon mal auf anderen Veranstaltungen gesehen, aber dadurch, dass halt, wie gesagt, fast immer überall genug Sitzplätze da waren, hat das son bisschen Ja. Also hat das son bisschen leicht ironisch gewirkt, wenn Du mit deinem Fastleben passt und da bist. Ja, und es gab dann noch son, ich glaub, Executive Visionary oder nur Visional, wo dann halt noch zu sonem Industrie und son dediziertes Dinnerevent abends irgendwie noch alles hat, das sind so, also das kennt man ja auch von 1 Veranstaltung so. Aber ich glaub, 99 Euro als Preispunkt ist sehr, so. Und selbst wenn man die, wie gesagt, zwei-, 300 Euro, je nach Olli Bird oder wann auch immer man das kauft, für den normalen Pass für 6 Talks am Tag, 2 Tage lang mit Rahmenprogramm und Verpflegung ist, glaube ich, fair. Zumal die Location wahrscheinlich auch nicht günstig ist. Und hattest Du dann son Armbändchen oder wie? Ja. Das war wie son All Inclusive Club, also hast Du dein dein Bett gehabt, generell rein- und rauszukommen und so. Und dann hast Du noch son Armmännchen gekriegt für, darfst Du halt irgendwie Essen, Trinken, bla bla bla. Dann musst Du da in die Schlange und dich bezahlen oder so was. Okay. Ja. Und Essen, Du hast eben schon kurz ein Gewinn, das war dann, ist in den in den normalen Restaurants oder was auch immer, wie man sie nennt, Genau, es sind ja im im Parks sind ja unendlich viele von diesen Quick Service Restaurants irgendwie verteilt und auch son paar Fast Food Läden und so. Und da hatten dann halt immer unterschiedliche offen. Mhm. So. Und da konntest Du dann halt irgendwie, manchmal war's der der Pizzaladen, manchmal war's der Burgerladen, manchmal war's die Eisdiele, konntest Du den ganzen Tag über verteilt also irgendwie was holen. Das war auch irgendwie nötig, weil es gab keine dedizierte Mittagspause. Mhm. Das fand ich 'n bisschen strange und hab ich so, glaub ich, noch nicht erlebt. Sondern Du musst halt irgendwie entweder einen Slot aussitzen oder dir irgendwie in 15 Minuten zwischen 2 Talks superschnell was holen und dann weiter zur nächsten Session. Aber auch bei mir daran Ende ist ja nur Esser. Aber die Restaurants haben dich die ganze Zeit über Aufmacke. Also nicht Alle. So. Gut, ja. Natürlich bin ich eigentlich hingefahren, wir haben nur 8 davon zu fahren, als Zweiduktion. Esser halt nur gegessen nur. Ich muss auch sagen. Okay. Ich war, als ich das gesehen hab, war ich son müh skeptisch, weil ich dachte, boah, so Freizeitpark ist jetzt auch nicht unbedingt für sein Catering bekannt. Aber ich glaub, dadurch, dass sie halt 'n sehr viel entspannteren Betrieb hatten und für sehr viel weniger Leute dann irgendwie da waren, war's von der Qualität schon auch recht gut. Nee, ich seh im Europa Park so ganz toll. Wie gesagt, ich war 10 Jahre lang, ich kann das jetzt nicht Das ist auch eine der Sachen, die ich nicht beurteilen kann, weil dafür habe ich keine Zeit, wenn ich im Europapark bin tatsächlich für Essen. Aber Aber Du stehst doch so oft in der Schlange an, da kann man doch nebenbei irgendwie was essen, oder? Ich feier ich feier immer nur, wenn's keine Schlangen gibt. Ach so. Ja. Ja. Und dann gibt es, also weil es gibt ja schon sehr themenspezifische Sachen, ne. Also es ist ja so, dass die ganzen Restaurants an den Themen hängen, von der Crèmeparie in Frankreich, über das Raclette Essen in der Schweiz und so weiter. Pottey glaube ich schon, dass es wahrscheinlich nicht der Schlechteste ist, was ich gehört habe, aber ich hab's auch selbst noch nicht oft benutzt, probiert benutzt. Okay. Vielleicht einen Punkt noch, weil wir grade noch bei den Talks waren, weil Ja. Ich glaub, wir da auch bei der Programmiererin drüber gesprochen haben. Es gab Aufnahmen von allen Talks. Mhm. Außer einzelne Speaker, ne, kannst Du jederzeit sagen, ich möcht das nicht oder so, aber ich hab im Nachgang noch mal reingeguckt. Fast alle, wo ich jetzt stichprobenartig mal geschaut hab, gab's eigentlich auch als Talk und die Likes dazu und das direkt Tage nach dem Event. Es gab auch den Maintrack die ganze Zeit als Stream, wenn Du ihn mobil irgendwie schauen wolltest, was superprakt war, weil ich einmal zwischendrin ins Hotelzimmer musste und irgendwie was hier Arbeit am CMS was machen musste. Da hab ich einfach nebenbei aufm Fernseher im Hotelzimmer irgendwie den Maintrack weiterfolgt. Das war auch irgendwie cool, so, ja. Und im Nachgang jetzt noch mal irgendwie ein, 2 Talks sich sich anzuschauen oder da noch mal irgendwie in die Slides irgendwie reingucken zu können oder was wurde da und dazu gesagt? Ist eigentlich auch nicht schlecht und ist auch im im Pricing dann mit drin, dass da Zugriff auf das ganze Archiv dann so. Hast Du grad die Programmierkunden in dem Kontext erwähnt als Verbesserungspotenzial von uns, oder? Ja, Du hast es doch mal gesagt, dass Du dir eigentlich wünschst, dass unsere Talks so direkt quasi, nachdem der Speaker von der Bühne geht, müssten die eigentlich online schon verfügbar sein. Mehr oder weniger. So. Ja. Ja. Okay, ja cool. Ja, ich mein, grade bei der Talkvielfalt, ne, wenn Du da irgendwie einfach 2 Tage diese 80 hast, das ist ja noch mal 'n extremer Mehrwert, wenn halt einfach ausgeschlossen ist, dass Du 'n Großteil nicht mitbekommst. Ja, also ich hab mir jetzt auch für unseren nächsten Personal Growth, der hier son paar Bookmarks Okay, dann guck ich mir noch mal 2, 3 von den Talks oder so da an. Ja. Cool, cool. Dann guck ich mir auf meine Notizen, was ich noch fragen wollte. Ich seh ich seh im Spiegel, was deine Notizen sind übrigens hier so hinter dir, ne? Ich glaub, ich weiß nicht, ob alle das, ob Sieht man das auf deinem Video jetzt auch, was deine Notizen sind? Das weiß ich nicht genau. Ah ja, doch. Ja, ja, doch. Hinter dir so. Kann man kann man schon sehen. Ja. Na ja, hier steht ja ganz offensichtlich noch die Frage, wärst Du gern noch mal was anderes gefragt worden? Wie kommst Du denn auf diese Frage? Hätte er hat er 'n Deal gepatcht? Also, was ich immer so am Ende wichtig finde, wenn man sich sone Konferenz anschaut, ist so, würd ich halt noch mal hin oder würd ich die meinem Team empfehlen? Mhm. Ne, das das das ja am Ende eigentlich das Einzige, was zählt, so. Und auch für alle, die jetzt irgendwie zuhören, ich mein, die haben ja jetzt dieses Jahr die Chance verpasst, aber die Frage ist ja, empfehlen wir das irgendwie für nächstes Jahr? Übrigens an der Stelle sowohl für die Javaland als auch für die, also da sind Sie recht zuversichtlich, dass es dafür noch 'n Zielpublikum gibt. Ja. Aber gibt es schon Genau. Bereits Termine für nächstes Jahr? Also die nächste wird vom dritten bis zum fünften März stattfinden. Das heißt von vielleicht nicht den, der Masse an Besucherinnen haben sie sich nicht abschrecken lassen. Ja, also wie gesagt, ich hatte ja im Vorfeld son bisschen mit Ihnen gesprochen. Ich glaube, Sie sehen das schon auch so als, Sie müssen da jetzt 2, 3 Jahre vielleicht son etwas längeren Atem haben und das halt irgendwie aufbauen. Also ich mein, auch das haben wir ja mit der Programmiercom gesehen, Du kriegst nicht von heut auf morgen irgendwie 500 Entwickler irgendwoher, ja. Und da hat vielleicht der Europa Park so cooler als Location ist, ein eine ähnliche Challenge wie die Saline, die ja auch hier eine coole Location ist. Aber es ist ja auch jetzt nicht Berlin, Frankfurt oder München, wo quasi die Developer alle vor deiner Haustür wohnen und sie einfach vorbeikommen können. Ja. Auch das hab ich bei meiner Anreise gemerkt, Du wusstest jetzt nicht so ultrazentral gelegen in Deutschland. Ja, das ist korrekt. So. Aber Und als Städtchen, glaub ich, nicht so, dass man unbedingt teilen muss. Hallo. Ja. Falls ihr in Rust wohnt, Beschwerden an, an der Grenze zurücknehmen, aber bitte. Nein. Ich hab sogar schon mal ihn, glaub ich, in Rust auch übernachtet. Ist auch damals im Wohnmobil. Ja. Von daher. Aber vielleicht gibt's auch noch Flecken, die ich nicht entdeckt habe. Ja, also die Frage ist nächstes Jahr, ne. Ja. Datum schon genannt. Tickets sollen wohl auch relativ bald tatsächlich dann schon in den Vorverkauf gehen, so wie ich das verstanden hab. Und ich würde jeden verstehen, der dieses Jahr da war und gesagt hat, boah, ich weiß nicht, ob ich das nächstes Jahr noch mal bräuchte, so wie das jetzt irgendwie in dem Rahmen stattgefunden hat. Da ich aber in der glücklichen Position war, wie gesagt, auch die Javaland gesehen zu haben und sehen kann, wie derselbe Space und dasselbe Orga Team das irgendwie füllen kann, wenn es mal mehr Leute sind und was für Skalierungseffekte sich dadurch eben noch ermöglichen, wär ich eigentlich schon sehr optimistisch, dass ich mir das nächstes Jahr noch mal angucken würde. Wie gesagt, der der Preispunkt ist ja auch ultra fair. Jetzt sind die Preise für nächstes Jahr noch nicht offen, aber wenn sie sich an dem braucht, doch auch schon, ja. Ja, also merkst Du tatsächlich, Du kannst die Tickets schon für nächstes Jahr kaufen. Ah ja, dann jetzt Real Life Follow-up. Genau, also der der Start-up Hass, wie er jetzt heißt oder auch vielleicht schon hieß, ist bis zum fünfzehnten Januar nächsten Jahres Buch beim für 95 Euro. Das wär. Also wie gesagt, 95 Euro für 2 Tage Content kannst Du eigentlich, will ich nichts sagen. Ja. Genau, der reguläre danach wird dann 145 betragen. Das ist hier die durchgestrichene Summe und dann gibt es aktuell nur den Pro Pars. Das war glaub ich der, den ich Wo quasi dann hatte. Lunch und Dinner da mit dabei sind. Den gibt es bis nur, Uhr in Anführungsstrichen September für 495 Euro und danach für 795 Euro. Und der ist gefühlt teurer geworden. Der war glaub ich günstiger dieses Jahr. Mhm. Und ja, und wenn man Lust hat, kann man dann noch auf beide Konferenzen gleichzeitig gehen. Ja, also auch das, wenn man mit der Javaland 'n bisschen was anfangen kann oder sich vielleicht einfach die Agenda davon mal anschaut, weil auch da waren ja wie gesagt gar nicht alle Talks jetzt nur Javalaster, ja. Und ich denk mir halt immer, wenn man die Anreise schon irgendwie auf sich nimmt und der Koffer schon gepackt ist und dann irgendwie anstatt 2 Tage vielleicht 4 Tage Content mitnehmen kann Ja. Und zwischendrin vielleicht 'n halben Tag sich ins Hotelzimmer einschließt, die E-Mail-Flut abzuarbeiten, die einen sonst überrollt, wenn man ansonsten nach Hause kommt nach 4 Tagen, dann ist das, glaube ich, auch 'n eine coole Sache so, ja. Und ich glaub auch, dieser Gedanke, das son bisschen als Teamevent mitzunehmen und die Atmosphäre mitzunehmen und da 'n bisschen Spaß zu haben am Ende des Tages, finde ich auch fair und legitim, würde ich auch einfach mal probieren. Also ich würde auch nächstes Jahr dafür noch mal die Werbetrommel rühren und vielleicht können wir das dann auch in 'ner größeren Gruppe noch mal schaffen und wenn sich die D-Compide wieder gleichzeitig stattfindet, haben die auch schon haben die auch schon ihr Datum für nächstes Jahr? Ja. Siehste? Dann können wir jetzt vielleicht schon schauen, ob wir beides schaffen dürfen. Okay. Dann noch mal ganz kurz gucken. Das ist am dritten März die das Devland und lädt im Hintergrund die Website Und Du bist der elfte März? Siehst Du, dann schaffen wir einfach beides. Können wir beides machen. Man muss ja ehrlicherweise sagen, ich wär auch echt gerne auf die die Complide gegangen. Ich hätte, wir hatten ja auch überlegt, ob wir beides irgendwie hintereinander schaffen, aber die waren wirklich am exakt selben Tag und am quasi exakt gegengesetzten Teil von Deutschland. Also Rust und Dresden, ich glaub viel mehr Strecke kannst Du in Deutschland irgendwie nicht nicht fahren müssen so, ja. Von daher tut es mir auch leid, dass es da nicht war, aber vielleicht schaffen wir dann nächstes Jahr ja beides. Und wenn das Wetter schön ist, bin ich wahrscheinlich am siebzehnten April wird's wieder im Europapark. Aber da schneit's doch gar nicht. Hast Du nicht gesagt, Du fährst nur, wenn's schneit? Ja, das ist das Ding, das ist immer der, immer, das hat sich, glaub ich, letztes Jahr erst etabliert. Es gibt einen Tag, wo die Schule zu hat, weil da schnuppern ist für die neuen Ah ja. Für die Kindergärten. Und das ist halt son Tag, wo nicht überall frei ist, sondern wo regional 'n paar Schulen mal frei haben und deswegen ist das ein ein weiterer Tag. Ist nicht ganz so leer und cool wie im Dezember. Ja, Dezember ist besser, aber ja. Ironischerweise kann ich am siebzehnten April wieder nicht mitfahren, aber das ist jetzt echt cooler Zufall, weil am siebzehnten April bin ich in Disneyland. Ah, mal bitte. Da können wir's winken. Nee, ich bin in Kalifornien und Disneyland. Winken können wir uns trotzdem denken. Geht aus wie Du in Paris wärst? Kommt ähnlich gut an. Ich dachte aber, Du weißt, Du ruust es ja schon auch nah an der französischen Grenze oder so. Ja, nee, ist richtig. Na sieh mal 1 an. Ja. Also, wenn uns 1 treffen möchte, ein Drittel Ein Freizeitpark. Freizeitpark. Oder in 'nem Rogo Park, dann sagt gerne Bescheid. Ja. Und vielleicht, wie gesagt, sehen wir uns nächstes Jahr auf der Devland. Wir hatten, wir sind mit dem Orga Team so verblieben, dass und das, was wir eigentlich am Abendprogramm machen wollten, diese Kollegenchallenge, die es ja auch bei der Programmierkonzern schon gab, dass wir noch mal schauen, ob wir das dann nächstes Jahr stattfinden lassen können. Von daher gute Chancen. Sehr gut. Dann markier ich mir das mal beides im Kalender. Yes. Schön, dann danke Jan für die Einblicke zu Devland. Wenn ihr Fragen zu der Konferenz habt, könnt ihr beispielsweise auch auf Discord kommen und da direkt den Jan anhauen und sagen, hey, wie war 'n das oder das? Yes. Alternativ schreibt ihr einfach eine E-Mail an Podcast at Programmier Punkt bar, wenn ihr Fragen habt oder auch natürlich, wenn es Feedback gibt zu dieser Folge oder zu irgendwas, was wir in der Programmier machen, dann schreibt uns sehr, sehr gerne oder direkt die neue Feedbackfunktion benutzen, die jetzt auch Kommentare unterstützt. Das ist richtig. Genau. Ihr könnt sowohl in den Shownotes als auch auf der Webseite oder irgendwo, wo ihr was seht über die Podcastfolge, könnt ihr direkt auf son Däumchen hoch oder runter klicken. Und das führt euch dann zu der Webseite, wo das dann bereits hinterlegt ist, ob ihr das Däumchen hoch- oder runtergemacht habt. Und dann könnt ihr noch eine Textzeile dazuschreiben und das wird anonym irgendwo archiviert. Also Klotz, sei Dank. Oh, das ist ja lustig. Was? Das hab ich noch gar nicht als, Du hast Du jetzt grad son son neues Meme, son neues, das kann viral gehen. Cloud sei Dank. Ja. Ach so. Aus Versehen. Ja. Ach, Cloud sei Dank haben wir das jetzt. Ja, sehr gut. Mag ich. Schön. Vielen Dank und bis bald. Bis denn, Herr Raul. Und wenn ihr jetzt da grade zugehört habt und die DeecomPALT Folge, die parallel veröffentlicht wurde, nicht gehört habt, schaltet da rein. Da haben wir in knappen 55 Minuten zusammengefasst, was es dazu geben gab. Ja. Wunderbar. Bis bald. Macht's gut. Tschüs. 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Ich bin Special? Dennis Becker und neben mir sitzt Jan Gregor im Getriebe. Mit extra viel Pause. Mit extra viel Pause und eben.\n\nSo ist es, cool, schon ist es immer so stark, das ebenke oder nur weil wir immer den Witz mit Getriebe machen.\n\nSpeaker 1: Ich hab keine Ahnung, ich hab 3 Radmo lang gezogen.\n\nSpeaker 0: Okay. EMke. Ja, herzlich willkommen. Gefühlt haben wir die ganze Zeit, also das ist ja dann in in dem Kalender der Podcast nicht unbedingt so, aber zumindest die Aufnahmen, die ich im Moment habe, haben eine sehr hohe Taktung. Von daher gefühlt hauen wir viel raus und auch viele Specials.\n\nSpeaker 1: Auch die Veröffentlichung hat eine hohe Taktung, weil wir machen im Prinzip quasi im Wochentag gerade, obwohl wir eigentlich nur alle 2 Wochen machen. Ich hab voll mal hochgerechnet, wenn wir das so durchhalten, dann haben wir dieses Jahr noch mehr Podcasts als letztes Jahr. Dabei war das noch nicht mal 'n Ziel. Nee. Und eigentlich hab ich das auch komplett abgeschrieben, weil wir hatten ja die Schotter als letztes Jahr, die das so künstlich hochgeschoben haben und ich hätte gedacht, nie wieder machen wir so viele Podcasts mir, aber wir sind auf 'nem sehr guten Kurs.\n\nSpeaker 0: Sehr gut. Heute sprechen wir aber nicht über Podcasts, sondern wir sprechen über Konferenzen, beziehungsweise ihr habt zugeschaltet zu einem Recap 1 weiteren Konferenz, die wir besucht haben. Und wenn ich von wir spreche, dann spreche ich von der Programmierbar, denn tatsächlich da in Person war nur 1 von uns beiden und das warst Du Jan.\n\nSpeaker 1: Yes. Ich war, also eigentlich hätten wir ja zu zweit auf die Deatland gesollt, auf der wir waren. Wir waren da eingeladen, Teil des Abendprogramms zu sein. Das hat dann aus verschiedensten logistischen Gründen nicht geklappt. Dementsprechend hat sich Julian dann kurzfristig entschieden, doch auch zu Hause zu bleiben, andere Sachen noch anstanden und dann stand ich alleine in Rust im Europapark.\n\nSpeaker 0: Raus im Europapark. Also, nochmal, das hast Du also nehmen wir, die haben wir aber nicht richtig erwähnt, Dafland. Das ist die Konferenz, die es geht. Die hat stattgefunden am zwölften und dreizehnten März im Europapark und auch hier weiß ich nicht genau auf dem Schedule, aber wir haben noch eine Folge aufgenommen zur, weil die ja im gleichen Termin stattfand.\n\nSpeaker 1: Und auch am gleichen Tag veröffentlicht wird die Folge.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ach, die kommt mit am gleichen Tag die Folge. Das war dein\n\nSpeaker 1: Vorschlag zumindest und wir haben das so in den Kalender gesehen.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ist ein sehr guter Folge.\n\nSpeaker 1: Ja, ich glaube, das ist unglaublich.\n\nSpeaker 0: Richtig, also\n\nSpeaker 1: Rocket Science, dass man da überhaupt drauf gekommen ist. Ja, ja.\n\nSpeaker 0: Das könnt ihr dann in der Parallelfolge hören sozusagen, was dort passiert ist, was im gleichen Datum war. Judi, so, eigentlich hat die mich ja stark getriggert, die Konferenz.\n\nSpeaker 1: Ja, ich war auch hart. Enttäuscht, dass Du nicht mitbekommen bist, muss ich sagen.\n\nSpeaker 0: Einfach nur auf auf Basis des Fakts, dass Europa Park mit dem Titel oder im subtile steht, dass es dort stattfindet. Ich hab aber auch gleichzeitig damals schon gesagt, ich bin mal gespannt, wie viel Europa Park dort ist, weil wenn ich's jetzt wirklich so die full flatged Experience wär, dann ist ja auch irgendwie schwer zu entscheiden, soll ich jetzt 'n Talk gehen, kann ich lieber Achterbahn fahren, was mache ich den ganzen Tag? Aber, genau, Kurz hast Du ja schon 'n bisschen berichtet, mir gegenüber. Ich weiß nicht, ist nicht der der relevanteste Fakt, aber fangen wir vielleicht mal mit dem Setting an so. Wie viel Europapark war denn auf der Daveland?\n\nSpeaker 1: Also ich find das schon 'n relevanten Teil, weil wenn ihr auf die Daveland Webseite geht und son bisschen anschaut, wie sie sich auch positionieren und bewerben, dann werben sie ja schon sehr stark damit, dass es im Europapark stattfindet und dass quasi Freizeitparkatmosphäre und Gefühl Teil der Experience ist. Und das geht ja sogar so weit, als dass ich sagen würde, die Außendarstellung ist ja schon sehr stark darauf optimiert, son bisschen das Ganze nicht nur als Fortbildung, sondern auch als Teamevent irgendwie verkaufen, so gemeinsam, also Spaß und Lernstelle irgendwie gleichermaßen im im Vordergrund. Und deshalb find ich's schon fair, das irgendwie da auch mit mit reinzuziehen. Die Frage, wie viel Europapark jetzt tatsächlich in der Konferenz steckt, weniger als gedacht. Ich glaub ehrlicherweise auch weniger als von den Veranstaltern erhofft.\n\nMhm. So. Zum Vergleich Bist Du\n\nSpeaker 0: da Achterbahn gefahren, vielleicht?\n\nSpeaker 1: Ich bin in Achterbahn gefahren. Also so the Elephant in room, ja, es gab Achterbahnen so, ja. Es gab auf Freizeitpark Fast Food, sag ich mal, Systemgastronomie, ja, Catering und so. Aber es war halt wesentlich weniger als der. Also zum einen ist ja der Europapark noch zu.\n\nDer Europapark ist 1 der wenigen Themenparks, glaub ich, so, die saisonal geschlossen haben. Ich glaub, Dezember, Januar, Februar ist da quasi Schicht im Schacht und irgendwann im März machen sie wieder auf. Mhm. Und in diese Zeit ist da die Deadline gefallen. Das heißt, das war sowieso kein regulärer Freizeitparkbetrieb.\n\nJa. Sondern es waren quasi nur vereinzelt Teile des Parks für uns geöffnet. Die Konferenz selbst hat in diesem, ich glaub Confex heißt dieses Confeence Center, was wir da vor an dem Europapark angeflanscht haben, da hat er stattgefunden und das ist quasi so an der Außenmauer des Europaparks, das heißt, Du gehst quasi in das Conference Center rein, kannst hinten raus quasi in den Park sozusagen reingehen. Kannst dann da den den Park quasi nutzen für die Mittagspause, kannst da essen gehen und und so weiter, aber es hatten halt überhaupt keine Fahrgeschäfte erst mal auf. So.\n\nEs hatten dann abends eine Achterbahn für uns geöffnet, die ich sag immer Euro sat, aber so heißt sie nicht mehr. Sie heißt jetzt nämlich?\n\nSpeaker 0: Ja. Kong Kong.\n\nSpeaker 1: Ja, irgendwie sowas. Conco Poster, glaube ich, irgendwie sowas. Trotz Euro sat. Für mich immer Euro\n\nSpeaker 0: Ich weiß nicht, ob wir sogar offiziell auch noch Euro sat irgendwo da mit drin ist in dem Namen Euro sat Conkonkurs oder trotzdem. Ah, ja. Aber das Ding in der Kugel.\n\nSpeaker 1: Ja, genau. Das Ding das Ding in der Kugel hatte da geöffnet. Aber ich kenn das auch von anderen Konferenzen, die in, an, 'n Freizeitpark stattgefunden haben, dass es eigentlich so ist, dass irgendwie mehr vom Park geöffnet ist, gerade auch, was so die Fahrgeschäfte angehen, sodass man zum Beispiel in der Mittagspause irgendwie mal was fahren kann oder so was ja. Oder ehrlicherweise auch, wenn man mal 'n Slot findet, wo irgendwie kein Talk relevant ist, dass man da was machen kann. Also man kann das, glaub ich, schon intensiver verbinden.\n\nWas, glaub ich, Teil der Geschichte ist, ist, dass auf der Deflant gefühlt weniger Teilnehmerinnen waren, als, glaube ich, die Veranstalter erhofft hatten. So.\n\nSpeaker 0: Du kannst auch noch ganz kurz in den Kontext bringen, wer, also das ist ja nicht die einzige Konferenz, die jeder im Europa stattgefunden hat und hat der auch was mit der Devland zu tun, soweit ich weiß?\n\nSpeaker 1: Ja. Also die Devland wird quasi von dem denselben Köpfen verantwortet, die auch für die Javaland zuständig sind. Die Javaland ist, wie der Name schon vermuten lässt, eine Java Konferenz, die auch von der DOHG eben, die 2 Tage, 3 Tage vor der Defland veranstaltet wird. Da war ich auch, weil ich im Prinzip einen Tag zu früh angereist bin, da bin ich noch in die Javaland rein, hab mir das Ganze mal angeguckt. Selbe Räumlichkeiten, selbes Setup, das wird im Prinzip werden nur so die Banner ausgetauscht mitten in der Nacht vom Übergang.\n\nAber die ist halt deutlich voller. Also da sind bestimmt irgendwie 1000 Leute gewesen oder so was, ja, und auf der Defland waren jetzt laut Veranstalterangaben 500 Anmeldungen da. Ich muss ehrlich sagen, ich hab nie so viele Leute auf einmal gesehen. Ich hab mal während 1 der Keynotes durchgezählt und ich hätte vom Bauchgefühl her eher gesagt zwischen 2 und 300, aber ich mein, auch auf Konferenzen verläuft sicher die Masse, also will ich da jetzt niemandem unterstellen, die Unwahrheit zu sagen, aber es hat sich halt nicht nach 500 Leuten angefühlt. Und ich glaube, wenn Du halt nur ein paar wenige 100 Leute hast, dann ist es am Ende wahrscheinlich auch eine eine Preis- und Logistikfrage, wie viel Freizeitpark man dafür dann für diese paar Leute halt noch öffnen kann am Ende des Tages, ne.\n\nMhm. So. Und wenn man sich aber anschaut, wie die Javaland funktioniert und wie das Ganze auch funktionieren kann, wenn das 'n bisschen größer ist, dann ist es, glaub ich, auch okay, der in ihrem, das hab ich, glaub ich, auch gar nicht erwähnt, in ihrem ersten Jahr jetzt, son bisschen zu gönnen, dass sie halt 'n bisschen kleiner ist. So, ich kann mir schon vorstellen, dass das vielleicht in ein oder 2 Jahren, wenn das son bisschen Wachstum mitgenommen hat, dann ähnlich groß sein kann wie die Javaland oder vielleicht sogar größer, weil's ja viel breiteres Publikum auch ist am Ende des Tages.\n\nSpeaker 0: Aber war das denn dann anders, also war die also weil wir grad noch bei Europa Park waren, war die Europa Park Experience auf der Javaland, wenn Du ja auch da warst, anders?\n\nSpeaker 1: Ja. Die Europa Park Experience auf der Javaland war insoweitgehend anders, dass mehr Coaster geöffnet hatten an den Javaland Abenden.\n\nSpeaker 0: Okay.\n\nSpeaker 1: Und dass mehr zum Beispiel Restaurants in den Parks auch geöffnet hatten, Quick Service Sachen, denen noch mal irgendwie zwischendrin was zu holen oder so. Also da hat man einfach gesehen, wo das Potenzial quasi noch sein könnte. Okay.\n\nSpeaker 0: Und ich vermute, das kannst Du dann auch noch deutlich höher skalieren oder? Also vom Platz.\n\nSpeaker 1: Ja, ich hatte ja im Vorfeld, wie gesagt, na wir hätten ja son bisschen das Teil des Programms eigentlich sein sollen, bisschen mit den Veranstaltern gesprochen und das ist ja eigentlich die Idee hinter der Devland ne, so breiter skalieren zu können als die Javaland das vielleicht jemals kann, weil Devland für alle Devfs, Javaland nur in Anführungszeichen für Javadefs.\n\nSpeaker 0: Also nächstes Jahr nicht mehr relevant.\n\nSpeaker 1: Das hast Du jetzt gesagt. Grüße gehen raus. Ja. Aber also im Prinzip ist ja genau das Du hast Du hast im Prinzip die Räumlichkeiten in dem Content Center, Du hast die Hotels nebendran und Du hast Räumlichkeiten im Europapark. Du kannst den Park Stück für stückweise öffnen.\n\nAlso es war jetzt, während sowohl Deffland als auch Javaland war im Prinzip nur dieser deutsch italienisch französische Teil ganz am Anfang geöffnet, aber Du kannst ja im Prinzip immer mehr von dem Park halt nutzen, so wie's grade erforderlich ist. Und dann ist wahrscheinlich eher die Frage, inwieweit skaliert's dann halt noch so mit den, ich sag mal, Wartungsarbeiten, die halt auch parallel im Park stattfinden. Das hat man schon auch gesehen, wenn man mit der Bahn durch den Park gefahren ist, zurück zum Hotel zu kommen oder so, da wird ja schon einiges geschafft im Europa Park. Wenn der zuhört, also die haben ja nicht umsonst zu, sondern die nutzen dieses Zeitfenster ja für viel Wartungsarbeit und das ist, glaube ich, das einzige Constrant, was sie dann so bei weiterer Skalierung hätten, aber ansonsten wär der Park ja nur für sie da.\n\nSpeaker 0: Hast Du in sonem Europapark Hotel geschlafen?\n\nSpeaker 1: Yes. Das kann man vielleicht auch dazu sagen, ich sag jetzt mal noch nicht beim Content, aber Rahmenbedingungen gibt's auch. Sie hatten sehr faires Pricing, was so Hotelübernachtungspakete angeht. Also Du konntest über die Devland quasi Hotelübernachtung im Park buchen und ich glaube, ich hab da so 100 paar zerquetschte Euro pro Nacht bezahlt für 'n Einzelzimmer, was mittlerweile, glaub ich, son ganggängiger Preis ist. Ich mein, Du rufst es natürlich\n\nSpeaker 0: Und dort vor allen Dingen, also wenn der Europa offen hat, sind die ja wahnsinnig teuer diese Zimmer.\n\nSpeaker 1: Ja, das hab ich dann auch mal so im Vergleichpunkt, die kosten da teilweise 3, viermal so viel, also alles alles fair. Und da auch wahrscheinlich der Punkt, ne, die haben haben ja ansonsten zu, die würden das gar nicht ausgelastet bekommen so und dementsprechend kann man da auch 'n gutes Pricing irgendwie anbieten. Aber ich bin ja mit meiner Familie danach noch 'n bisschen länger geblieben, noch Park und Rolandica und so anzugucken. Dann haben wir natürlich die Hotel über Nacht selber bezahlt, war in 'nem anderen Hotel. Und das war schon also nicht so preiswert wie das, was man da über Mhm.\n\nDann die die Konferenzkonditionen quasi bekommt. Und ihr\n\nSpeaker 0: wart im gleichen Hotel? Nein. Nein, nein, okay. Also wahrscheinlich machen die ja auch komplett zu, oder?\n\nSpeaker 1: Die haben dann tatsächlich auch das Hotel wieder zugemacht. Ja. So. Ich hab so meinen Koffer in der Gepäckaufbewahrung gelassen während des letzten Konferenztags. Da hieß es nur so, ja, Sie müssten den Koffer bis 6 Uhr abends abgeholt haben, weil sonst ist hier niemand mehr.\n\nOkay. Okay.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ja, verrückt. Spannend. Gut. Dafland. Dafland.\n\nWie ist 'n das oder die Kommunikation, wer soll denn da hinkommen?\n\nSpeaker 1: Alle. Und ich glaube, das haben sie auch geschafft. Also man merkt natürlich sowohl dem Klientel als auch dem Programm son bisschen an, dass sie aus dem aus diesem Java Umfeld kommen, ja. Es gab schon son paar einzelnen Talks, der java lastig waren. Es waren auch viele Leute da, die einfach auch auf der Javaland waren und dann quasi sozusagen verlängert haben, sich die definitiv auch noch anzugucken.\n\nAber ein ein deutlich größerer Teil der Talks war eigentlich sehr holistisch, wenn's Architektur geht, wenn's Datenschutz geht, wenn's Cloud Infrastruktur geht, wenn's AI geht, das hat ja alles relativ wenig Java Spezifisches und da kann im Prinzip jeder hin, es gab auch Themen, die son bisschen nicht Techy, was heißt nicht Techy, es gab es gab Talks über Management, Product. Ja, auch. Es gab aber auch Talks über so Personal Branding auf LinkedIn. Mhm. Es gab auch Talks zu Women in Tech.\n\nEs gab auch Talks zu Burn out und so, ähnliche Sachen, Lightning Talks auch noch. Also es ist schon sehr breitaufstädten. Das ist ja auch das Ziel hinten dran, ne?\n\nSpeaker 0: Ne. Ja. Und das war ja auch eben kein böser gemeinter Kommentar mit DJvaland. Gibt's da nicht mehr nächstes Jahr. Aber es ist ja tatsächlich, als ich mein, ne, im Hintergrund haben wir ja auch schon ab und zu mal gesprochen, so auch für die Programmierbar, ohne dass wir jetzt 'n konkreten Contentplan haben und sagen, das müssen die nächsten Themen sein, aber sehr automatisch verschiebt verschiebt sich das natürlich, ne.\n\nUnd auch die Frage in den regulären News Folgen, die wir haben, ne, macht da dann zukünftig das Update zu, weiß ich nicht, Tailwind Sinn so, ne, also weil sich einfach, ja, der oder die Entwickler*innen halt nicht mehr damit so beschaffen beschäftigen müssen und dann eher Teamstrukturen, wie arbeitet man mit den Tools und so weiter, solche Themen halt dann jetzt relevanter werden für das gleiche Zielpublikum, aber halt mit 'n bisschen anderen Inhalten. Insofern ist es ja wahrscheinlich gar nicht so doof, sich da 'n bisschen anders aufzustellen.\n\nSpeaker 1: Und wenn man sich die Tracks anguckt, dann sieht man auch, dass sie eigentlich relativ wenig also Stackspezifische Sachen hatten, sag ich mal. Ja, also die Tracks waren AI, Data, Infrastructure, jetzt muss ich auch mal Notizen gucken, Infrastructure, Cloud, Carrier und so Visionary, was so dieser Produkt, Ziel Level Management Track irgendwie war. Aber da ist jetzt nichts dabei von Frontend, Backend, Datenbanken. Das hat zwar auch überall immer son bisschen stattgefunden, aber das hat man auf anderen Konferenzen schon auch sehr viel technischer erlebt, so, ne? Muss man auch sagen.\n\nSpeaker 0: Okay und wenn Du jetzt 5 oder 6 Tracks aufgezählt hast, das ist ja dann relativ viel für 500 Leute, vermute ich. Also oder beziehungsweise ich meine, ist natürlich schwierig, wenn Du jetzt das allererste Mal sone Konferenz machst und keine Ahnung, aber der Anspruch ist ja wahrscheinlich dann, den kann man ja schon 'n bisschen ablesen, wenn irgendwo, war's ein, nee, 2 Tage sogar, ne?\n\nSpeaker 1: 2 Tage, 6 Tracks, aber es waren noch nicht alle Tracks zu jeder Zeit voll bespielt. Okay. Es gab einen großen Raum, wo auch die Keynotes stattfinden, da waren schon immer auch am meisten Leute. Die anderen Räume waren so in der Größenordnung, wo ich sag mal, Du mit 50 Leuten noch angenehm sitzen konntest, ja. Aber es waren tatsächlich auch manche der Talks eher sehr rar besucht.\n\nIch hab Talks erlebt, wo ich in 'nem 50 Mann Raum mit vielleicht 70 Personen gesessen hab und am Ende haben noch hinten Leute gestanden, ja, das ist auch vollkommen. Aber ich hab auch Sessions erlebt, wo man mit 5 Leuten irgendwie drin gesessen hat, was, glaub ich, auf jeder Konferenz passieren kann. Ich find das aber auch per se immer nicht schlecht, solange der Speaker sich davon nicht unter oder die Speakerin nicht unterkriegen lässt und son bisschen entmutigt dann irgendwie dasteht, kann das ja auch eine sehr coole Atmosphäre sein.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ja, ja. Und dieser Keynoteraum, was hat der für eine Kapazität? Also wie groß könnte man praktisch sone gemeinsame Keynote machen?\n\nSpeaker 1: Ich müsste überlegen. Ich glaub während der würd ich vermuten, dass da so 300 Leute vielleicht reingepasst hätten von der Bestuhlung. Da waren auch Stehtische hinten dran und so weiter. Also man hätte auch alle angeblich 500 angemeldeten da irgendwie reinkriegen können. Während der Javaland war er ungefähr doppelt so groß bestult, also das wurde quasi mehr Trennwand dann noch noch weggenommen und dann hätten da bestimmt auch, weiß ich nicht, 800000 Leute oder so sitzen können.\n\nAlso da war schon deutlich mehr Platz noch. Können da noch reinwachsen, sagen wir's mal so. Mhm.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ja, aber, weil wir gerade über am Anfang über die Skalierung und es gibt verschiedene Sachen noch und so. Ich fänd es ja irgendwie immer ganz schön, wenn wenn diese, wenn Keynotes oder so was irgendwie womöglich gemeinsam sind. Aber ich hab grad überlegt, keine Ahnung, ob der Video Developers, wo dann irgendwie 10000 Entwickler*innen sind, da ist natürlich auch nicht so. Ich mein, da wird das halt, da gibt's halt eine und da sind auch dann wahrscheinlich schon irgendwie x, das ist wahrscheinlich über 1000, die da reingehen.\n\nSpeaker 1: Aber ich würde sagen, Mensch, auf\n\nSpeaker 0: der trotzdem auf die anderen Sachen.\n\nSpeaker 1: Auf der Google Cloud Next jetzt ja schon 'n paar Mal auch waren und da ist ja immer die Keynote im son in soner Sportarena. Mhm. Und wenn Du dann mit, ich weiß nicht, 15000 Leuten da sitzt und am Ende 'n sehr ungünstigen Platz hast, dann guckst Du ja am Ende auch irgendwie mehr auf diesen Jumbo Tron in der Mitte als auf die Bühne vor dir. Dann ist es auch vom Streaming ehrlicherweise nicht so weit weg irgendwer. Du bist son bisschen im im Raum und hast von der Atmosphäre noch was und die Begeisterung bei manchen Themen kriegst Du noch mit.\n\nAber ja, ich glaub, realistischerweise alles über 1000 Leute wird dann irgendwann 'n bisschen distanzierter. Und weil Du grade sagst, dass alle für sone Kino zusammenbringen, das ist auch was, vielleicht so mein persönlich größter Knackpunkt an an der Deadline. Also da ist halt, hat eine Keynote Inflation stattgefunden, das hab ich noch nicht erlebt. Also ich bin ja, ich mein, wir haben das auch bei der Programmierkunden schon gehabt, diese Diskussion, wie viele Keynotes verträgt sone Konferenz eigentlich? Wir hatten bei uns 2, so eine pro Tag, das finde ich ganz gut.\n\nUnd also es heißt ja auch Keynote, weil das so die Schlüsselnote setzen soll, so. Weil ein ein Impuls mal irgendwie so, womit wollen wir uns beschäftigen, was ist so die die Stimmung, was ist so das Thema? Und ich glaube, ich hab mir das irgendwie rausgeschrieben, es gab 10 Keynotes auf diesen 2 Tagen, ja, Session Keynote und Track Keynote und Opening Keynote und Community. Nein, also wenn alles eine Keynote ist, ist nichts eine Keynote irgendwie, so, ja. Also da sollten wir vielleicht noch mal drüber nachdenken.\n\nIch bin auch, als ich angekommen oder ziemlich vorbereitet hab und die Agenda so durch bin und man schreibt's ja immer so raus, wo wie man hin, hab ich auch die ersten 2, oh, Keynote hier, Keynote da, da muss ich hin. Und irgendwie nach der vierten Keynote dacht ich mir so, nee, also jetzt jetzt ist auch egal.\n\nSpeaker 0: Hast Du recht, ja. Okay, spannend. Gut und wo hast Du dich persönlich aufgehalten? Also Plan war ja eigentlich, Jens der Achterbahn zu fahren, das ist ist nicht in Erfüllung gegangen.\n\nSpeaker 1: Ja, am liebsten hätte ich mich auf der Silverstar aufgehalten, die ganzen Tag. Das hat leider nicht so einen Satz.\n\nSpeaker 0: Deine Lieblingsachterbahn im Europapark.\n\nSpeaker 1: Ich musste feststellen, ich war, glaub ich, 5, 10 oder 15 Jahre nicht im Europapark. Mhm. Wir fahren ja hier mit, also ihr fahrt ja mit der Firma jedes Jahr dahin und das hat für mich noch nicht geklappt. Und da jetzt war ich dadurch dann festgestellt, dass da so viele Sachen sind, die ich noch gar nicht gefahren bin. Von daher, ja, tatsächlich das letzte Große, was ich mitgekriegt hab, war so Silverstar.\n\nAber ich muss immer sagen, mein mein persönliches Highlight war eigentlich schon immer die Euro mir, weil ich das vom Fahrgefühl cooler finde. Also Silverstar zwar auch so, ne, son paar coole Jobs und so, aber das Schöne in der Euro mir den den großen Ausblick zu haben in dem Park und diese Tränen und Sitze und so, das gibt mir irgendwie\n\nSpeaker 0: mehr. Tja. Ich glaube dann\n\nSpeaker 1: Ja, ist vorbei. In der Euro mir gibt's nicht mehr, hab ich gehört. Also gibt's vielleicht irgendwann wieder, oder?\n\nSpeaker 0: Ja, ich glaube, ja, es soll mehr oder weniger einen werden, aber ich meine, es war letztes Jahr das letzte\n\nSpeaker 1: Ja, ja, also ist schon ist schon zu. Hat man auch was gesehen, als wir durch 'n Park gefahren sind, dass da schon jetzt dieser Wartebereich abgebaut und so was alles. Ja. Hab ich hab ich schon mehrfach festgestellt. Aber brauche ich mich aufgehalten?\n\nJa, ich war tatsächlich, also ich versuch, wenn ich auf so eine Konferenz gehe und die aus in Anführungszeichen journalistischer Sicht besuche, also für die programmierbar und nicht, mich halt selbst in irgend 'nem speziellen Bereich weiterzubilden, versuche ich auch so bewusst in die Talks reinzugehen, wo ich eigentlich nie reingehen würde, einfach mal son bisschen zu gucken, wie ist das da so? Und war zum Beispiel in einem Talk gelandet über Vektordatenbanken von einem Professor Olaf Herden von der DHBW, wo ich dachte, okay, das bestimmt so 2 Level zu hoch für mich, aber ist ja cool, dass sie auch son Level irgendwie anbieten und der hat es tatsächlich verdammt gut geschafft, son Talk zu sonem sehr, sehr technischen Thema zu halten und eine sehr schnelle, sehr tiefe Einführung zu machen, alle erst mal so auf einen die Wut zu bringen, so und dann halt so zu besprechen, ne, wie macht man irgendwie so und wie berechnet man irgendwie Distanzen in soner Vektordatenbank und wie entsteht son Vektor überhaupt und bla. Und das fand ich krass, weil das ist was, was meiner Meinung nach ganz oft auf so Konferenzen irgendwie fehlt. Nicht nur so, ich bin Anwender von irgend 'nem Framework oder von irgend 'ner Library und zeig euch jetzt, wie das geht, sondern so richtig Grundlagenwissen irgendwie zu vermitteln, ja, und das fand ich irgendwie mal 'n 'n cooles Beispiel.\n\nAber auch natürlich in vielen AI Talks irgendwie, ja, zu, wie baust Du eigene Modelle oder wie fineunes Du irgendwie eigene Modelle mit deinen eigenen Daten? Da gab's 'n paar coole Vorträge von Cedric Clayburn, der bei Red Head arbeitet und da son bisschen AI Developer Relations macht. Es gab 'n paar Vorträge von Adorses, die irgendwie auch Partner oder Sponsor oder so was waren und auch viel von ihrer eigenen Arbeit gezeigt haben und auch tatsächlich da ganz interessante Sachen gezeigt haben, son bisschen über QA und wie schafft man irgendwie verlässliches Knowledge ohne Halluzinationen irgendwie aufzubauen. Ich hab Talks gesehen von Leuten, die wir von der Programmier selber schon kennen, die hier schon mal Speaker oder Gast waren oder bald mal sein werden. Also es war 'n sehr bunt gemischtes Publikum, wie auf jeder Konferenz hat man auch die ein oder andere Niete gezogen, aber nicht, weil der Speaker jetzt irgendwie schlecht ist und sone Zeit thematisch manchmal nicht passt.\n\nAber ich glaub bei, Moment, lass mich kurz mal in die Notizen gucken, über 80 Talks, die es halt irgendwie parallel dann gab, ja, ist es auch okay, wenn am Ende jetzt nicht jeder irgendwie auf einen passt. Ja. Ich hab 'n coolen Talk gesehen über Constrrain Development, was auch für uns tatsächlich superpraktisch wär, so, wenn man sich unsere Spiele anguckt, ne, sowas wie Wordblitz oder Word Search, wie baut man halt so Boards zusammen, wie evaluiert man, wie kann man halt schnell prüfen, ob man die lösen kann und wie schwer die zu lösen sind und so und so, ne? Wie formuliert man diese Constrins und wie bewertet man die am Ende? Und wie kann man diesen Ansatz vielleicht auch nutzen, KI generierten Output irgendwie zu validieren und zu bewerten, dann wieder Reanforcement Learning darauf zu machen und so was.\n\nWar schon, es war schon teilweise sehr technisch auch, ja. Ja, cool. Price Point. Ja, Price Point für mich nichts, weil Programmierer und wir ja wie gesagt eingeladen waren. Ja.\n\nAber tatsächlich 'n sehr interessantes Pricing Modell, was ich so, glaub ich, noch nicht explizit gesehen hab. Die Deadline hat versucht ein oder hat's auch geschafft, meiner Meinung nach einen sehr zugänglichen Preispunkt zu finden. Ich glaub, das günstigste Ticket kostet knapp unter 100 Euro, 99, 95 irgendwie so was für die 2 Tage. Und hat aber dann so Abstriche wie, Du bist nicht im Abendprogramm eingeladen und hast kein Catering den Tag über. Also was, wenn man sich an die Programmierkunden erinnert, ja auch einfach riesengroßen Kostenpunkte so hinterher.\n\nDu hast dann, kannst dann Getränke kaufen und kannst auch Essen kaufen, alles kein kein Ding. Aber da wird halt son bisschen gespart, quasi das dafür mehr zugänglich zu machen. Und dann gab's das reguläre Ticket, was so bei, ich glaub, 2, 300 Euro dann lag, je nachdem, Early Bird, bla bla bla. Und dann geht's noch weiter mit, es gab auch son Fast Lane Pass, was so voll in dieses Freizeitparkmotto irgendwie rein ist. Es gab in jedem Raum so vorne eine reservierte Reihe an Stühlen, die Du halt nur nehmen könntest, wenn Du irgendwie im Fast Fan Pass warst und musst es nicht anstrengen, kannst da direkt rein.\n\nAlso was von der Idee wahrscheinlich interessant wär, hab ich auch schon mal auf anderen Veranstaltungen gesehen, aber dadurch, dass halt, wie gesagt, fast immer überall genug Sitzplätze da waren, hat das son bisschen Ja. Also hat das son bisschen leicht ironisch gewirkt, wenn Du mit deinem Fastleben passt und da bist. Ja, und es gab dann noch son, ich glaub, Executive Visionary oder nur Visional, wo dann halt noch zu sonem Industrie und son dediziertes Dinnerevent abends irgendwie noch alles hat, das sind so, also das kennt man ja auch von 1 Veranstaltung so. Aber ich glaub, 99 Euro als Preispunkt ist sehr, so. Und selbst wenn man die, wie gesagt, zwei-, 300 Euro, je nach Olli Bird oder wann auch immer man das kauft, für den normalen Pass für 6 Talks am Tag, 2 Tage lang mit Rahmenprogramm und Verpflegung ist, glaube ich, fair.\n\nZumal die Location wahrscheinlich auch nicht günstig ist.\n\nSpeaker 0: Und hattest Du dann son Armbändchen oder wie?\n\nSpeaker 1: Ja. Das war wie son All Inclusive Club, also hast Du dein dein Bett gehabt, generell rein- und rauszukommen und so. Und dann hast Du noch son Armmännchen gekriegt für, darfst Du halt irgendwie Essen, Trinken, bla bla bla. Dann musst Du da in die Schlange und dich bezahlen oder so was. Okay.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ja. Und Essen, Du hast eben schon kurz ein Gewinn, das war dann, ist in den in den normalen Restaurants oder was auch immer, wie man sie nennt,\n\nSpeaker 1: Genau, es sind ja im im Parks sind ja unendlich viele von diesen Quick Service Restaurants irgendwie verteilt und auch son paar Fast Food Läden und so. Und da hatten dann halt immer unterschiedliche offen. Mhm. So. Und da konntest Du dann halt irgendwie, manchmal war's der der Pizzaladen, manchmal war's der Burgerladen, manchmal war's die Eisdiele, konntest Du den ganzen Tag über verteilt also irgendwie was holen.\n\nDas war auch irgendwie nötig, weil es gab keine dedizierte Mittagspause. Mhm. Das fand ich 'n bisschen strange und hab ich so, glaub ich, noch nicht erlebt. Sondern Du musst halt irgendwie entweder einen Slot aussitzen oder dir irgendwie in 15 Minuten zwischen 2 Talks superschnell was holen und dann weiter zur nächsten Session. Aber auch\n\nSpeaker 0: bei mir daran Ende ist ja nur Esser.\n\nSpeaker 1: Aber die Restaurants haben dich die ganze Zeit über Aufmacke. Also nicht Alle. So. Gut, ja.\n\nSpeaker 0: Natürlich bin ich eigentlich hingefahren, wir haben nur 8 davon zu fahren, als Zweiduktion.\n\nSpeaker 1: Esser halt nur gegessen nur. Ich muss auch sagen. Okay. Ich war, als ich das gesehen hab, war ich son müh skeptisch, weil ich dachte, boah, so Freizeitpark ist jetzt auch nicht unbedingt für sein Catering bekannt. Aber ich glaub, dadurch, dass sie halt 'n sehr viel entspannteren Betrieb hatten und für sehr viel weniger Leute dann irgendwie da waren, war's von der Qualität schon auch recht gut.\n\nSpeaker 0: Nee, ich seh im Europa Park so ganz toll.\n\nSpeaker 1: Wie gesagt, ich war 10 Jahre lang, ich kann das jetzt nicht\n\nSpeaker 0: Das ist auch eine der Sachen, die ich nicht beurteilen kann, weil dafür habe ich keine Zeit, wenn ich im Europapark bin tatsächlich für Essen.\n\nSpeaker 1: Aber Aber Du stehst doch so oft in der Schlange an, da kann man doch nebenbei irgendwie was essen, oder?\n\nSpeaker 0: Ich feier ich feier immer nur, wenn's keine Schlangen gibt. Ach so.\n\nSpeaker 1: Ja. Ja.\n\nSpeaker 0: Und dann gibt es, also weil es gibt ja schon sehr themenspezifische Sachen, ne. Also es ist ja so, dass die ganzen Restaurants an den Themen hängen, von der Crèmeparie in Frankreich, über das Raclette Essen in der Schweiz und so weiter. Pottey glaube ich schon, dass es wahrscheinlich nicht der Schlechteste ist, was ich gehört habe, aber ich hab's auch selbst noch nicht oft benutzt, probiert benutzt. Okay.\n\nSpeaker 1: Vielleicht einen Punkt noch, weil wir grade noch bei den Talks waren, weil Ja. Ich glaub, wir da auch bei der Programmiererin drüber gesprochen haben. Es gab Aufnahmen von allen Talks. Mhm. Außer einzelne Speaker, ne, kannst Du jederzeit sagen, ich möcht das nicht oder so, aber ich hab im Nachgang noch mal reingeguckt.\n\nFast alle, wo ich jetzt stichprobenartig mal geschaut hab, gab's eigentlich auch als Talk und die Likes dazu und das direkt Tage nach dem Event. Es gab auch den Maintrack die ganze Zeit als Stream, wenn Du ihn mobil irgendwie schauen wolltest, was superprakt war, weil ich einmal zwischendrin ins Hotelzimmer musste und irgendwie was hier Arbeit am CMS was machen musste. Da hab ich einfach nebenbei aufm Fernseher im Hotelzimmer irgendwie den Maintrack weiterfolgt. Das war auch irgendwie cool, so, ja. Und im Nachgang jetzt noch mal irgendwie ein, 2 Talks sich sich anzuschauen oder da noch mal irgendwie in die Slides irgendwie reingucken zu können oder was wurde da und dazu gesagt?\n\nIst eigentlich auch nicht schlecht und ist auch im im Pricing dann mit drin, dass da Zugriff auf das ganze Archiv dann so.\n\nSpeaker 0: Hast Du grad die Programmierkunden in dem Kontext erwähnt als Verbesserungspotenzial von uns, oder?\n\nSpeaker 1: Ja, Du hast es doch mal gesagt, dass Du dir eigentlich wünschst, dass unsere Talks so direkt quasi, nachdem der Speaker von der Bühne geht, müssten die eigentlich online schon verfügbar sein.\n\nSpeaker 0: Mehr oder weniger. So. Ja. Ja. Okay, ja cool.\n\nJa, ich mein, grade bei der Talkvielfalt, ne, wenn Du da irgendwie einfach 2 Tage diese 80 hast, das ist ja noch mal 'n extremer Mehrwert, wenn halt einfach ausgeschlossen ist, dass Du 'n Großteil nicht mitbekommst.\n\nSpeaker 1: Ja, also ich hab mir jetzt auch für unseren nächsten Personal Growth, der hier son paar Bookmarks Okay, dann guck ich mir noch mal 2, 3 von den Talks oder so da an.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ja. Cool, cool. Dann guck ich mir auf meine Notizen, was ich noch fragen wollte.\n\nSpeaker 1: Ich seh ich seh im Spiegel, was deine Notizen sind übrigens hier so hinter dir, ne? Ich glaub, ich weiß nicht, ob alle das, ob Sieht man das auf deinem Video jetzt auch, was deine Notizen sind?\n\nSpeaker 0: Das weiß ich nicht genau.\n\nSpeaker 1: Ah ja, doch. Ja, ja, doch. Hinter dir so.\n\nSpeaker 0: Kann man kann man schon sehen. Ja. Na ja, hier steht ja ganz offensichtlich noch die Frage, wärst Du gern noch\n\nSpeaker 1: mal was anderes gefragt worden? Wie kommst Du denn auf diese Frage? Hätte er hat er 'n Deal gepatcht? Also, was ich immer so am Ende wichtig finde, wenn man sich sone Konferenz anschaut, ist so, würd ich halt noch mal hin oder würd ich die meinem Team empfehlen? Mhm.\n\nNe, das das das ja am Ende eigentlich das Einzige, was zählt, so. Und auch für alle, die jetzt irgendwie zuhören, ich mein, die haben ja jetzt dieses Jahr die Chance verpasst, aber die Frage ist ja, empfehlen wir das irgendwie für nächstes Jahr?\n\nSpeaker 0: Übrigens an der Stelle sowohl für die Javaland als auch für die, also da sind Sie recht zuversichtlich, dass es dafür noch 'n Zielpublikum gibt. Ja. Aber gibt es schon Genau. Bereits Termine für nächstes Jahr? Also die nächste wird vom dritten bis zum fünften März stattfinden.\n\nDas heißt von vielleicht nicht den, der Masse an Besucherinnen haben sie sich nicht abschrecken lassen.\n\nSpeaker 1: Ja, also wie gesagt, ich hatte ja im Vorfeld son bisschen mit Ihnen gesprochen. Ich glaube, Sie sehen das schon auch so als, Sie müssen da jetzt 2, 3 Jahre vielleicht son etwas längeren Atem haben und das halt irgendwie aufbauen. Also ich mein, auch das haben wir ja mit der Programmiercom gesehen, Du kriegst nicht von heut auf morgen irgendwie 500 Entwickler irgendwoher, ja. Und da hat vielleicht der Europa Park so cooler als Location ist, ein eine ähnliche Challenge wie die Saline, die ja auch hier eine coole Location ist. Aber es ist ja auch jetzt nicht Berlin, Frankfurt oder München, wo quasi die Developer alle vor deiner Haustür wohnen und sie einfach vorbeikommen können.\n\nJa. Auch das hab ich bei meiner Anreise gemerkt, Du wusstest jetzt nicht so ultrazentral gelegen in Deutschland.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ja, das ist korrekt. So.\n\nSpeaker 1: Aber Und\n\nSpeaker 0: als Städtchen, glaub ich, nicht so, dass man unbedingt teilen muss. Hallo.\n\nSpeaker 1: Ja. Falls ihr in Rust wohnt, Beschwerden an, an der Grenze zurücknehmen, aber bitte.\n\nSpeaker 0: Nein. Ich hab sogar schon mal ihn, glaub ich, in Rust auch übernachtet.\n\nSpeaker 1: Ist auch damals im Wohnmobil.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ja. Von daher. Aber vielleicht gibt's auch noch Flecken, die ich nicht entdeckt habe.\n\nSpeaker 1: Ja, also die Frage ist nächstes Jahr, ne. Ja. Datum schon genannt. Tickets sollen wohl auch relativ bald tatsächlich dann schon in den Vorverkauf gehen, so wie ich das verstanden hab. Und ich würde jeden verstehen, der dieses Jahr da war und gesagt hat, boah, ich weiß nicht, ob ich das nächstes Jahr noch mal bräuchte, so wie das jetzt irgendwie in dem Rahmen stattgefunden hat.\n\nDa ich aber in der glücklichen Position war, wie gesagt, auch die Javaland gesehen zu haben und sehen kann, wie derselbe Space und dasselbe Orga Team das irgendwie füllen kann, wenn es mal mehr Leute sind und was für Skalierungseffekte sich dadurch eben noch ermöglichen, wär ich eigentlich schon sehr optimistisch, dass ich mir das nächstes Jahr noch mal angucken würde. Wie gesagt, der der Preispunkt ist ja auch ultra fair. Jetzt sind die Preise für nächstes Jahr noch nicht offen, aber wenn sie sich an dem braucht, doch auch schon, ja. Ja, also\n\nSpeaker 0: merkst Du tatsächlich, Du kannst die Tickets schon für nächstes Jahr kaufen. Ah ja,\n\nSpeaker 1: dann jetzt\n\nSpeaker 0: Real Life Follow-up. Genau, also der der Start-up Hass, wie er jetzt heißt oder auch vielleicht schon hieß, ist bis zum fünfzehnten Januar nächsten Jahres Buch beim für 95 Euro.\n\nSpeaker 1: Das wär. Also wie gesagt, 95 Euro für 2 Tage Content kannst Du eigentlich, will ich nichts sagen.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ja. Genau, der reguläre danach wird dann 145 betragen. Das ist hier die durchgestrichene Summe und dann gibt es aktuell nur den Pro Pars.\n\nSpeaker 1: Das war glaub ich der, den ich Wo quasi dann hatte.\n\nSpeaker 0: Lunch und Dinner da mit dabei sind. Den gibt es bis nur, Uhr in Anführungsstrichen September für 495 Euro und danach für 795 Euro.\n\nSpeaker 1: Und der ist gefühlt teurer geworden. Der war glaub ich günstiger dieses Jahr.\n\nSpeaker 0: Mhm. Und ja, und wenn man Lust hat, kann man dann noch auf beide Konferenzen gleichzeitig gehen.\n\nSpeaker 1: Ja, also auch das, wenn man mit der Javaland 'n bisschen was anfangen kann oder sich vielleicht einfach die Agenda davon mal anschaut, weil auch da waren ja wie gesagt gar nicht alle Talks jetzt nur Javalaster, ja. Und ich denk mir halt immer, wenn man die Anreise schon irgendwie auf sich nimmt und der Koffer schon gepackt ist und dann irgendwie anstatt 2 Tage vielleicht 4 Tage Content mitnehmen kann Ja. Und zwischendrin vielleicht 'n halben Tag sich ins Hotelzimmer einschließt, die E-Mail-Flut abzuarbeiten, die einen sonst überrollt, wenn man ansonsten nach Hause kommt nach 4 Tagen, dann ist das, glaube ich, auch 'n eine coole Sache so, ja. Und ich glaub auch, dieser Gedanke, das son bisschen als Teamevent mitzunehmen und die Atmosphäre mitzunehmen und da 'n bisschen Spaß zu haben am Ende des Tages, finde ich auch fair und legitim, würde ich auch einfach mal probieren. Also ich würde auch nächstes Jahr dafür noch mal die Werbetrommel rühren und vielleicht können wir das dann auch in 'ner größeren Gruppe noch mal schaffen und wenn sich die D-Compide wieder gleichzeitig stattfindet, haben die auch schon haben die auch schon ihr Datum für nächstes Jahr?\n\nJa. Siehste? Dann können wir jetzt vielleicht schon schauen, ob wir beides schaffen dürfen. Okay.\n\nSpeaker 0: Dann noch mal ganz kurz gucken. Das ist am dritten März die das Devland und lädt im Hintergrund die Website Und Du bist der elfte März?\n\nSpeaker 1: Siehst Du, dann schaffen wir einfach beides.\n\nSpeaker 0: Können wir beides machen.\n\nSpeaker 1: Man muss ja ehrlicherweise sagen, ich wär auch echt gerne auf die die Complide gegangen. Ich hätte, wir hatten ja auch überlegt, ob wir beides irgendwie hintereinander schaffen, aber die waren wirklich am exakt selben Tag und am quasi exakt gegengesetzten Teil von Deutschland. Also Rust und Dresden, ich glaub viel mehr Strecke kannst Du in Deutschland irgendwie nicht nicht fahren müssen so, ja. Von daher tut es mir auch leid, dass es da nicht war, aber vielleicht schaffen wir dann nächstes Jahr ja beides.\n\nSpeaker 0: Und wenn das Wetter schön ist, bin ich wahrscheinlich am siebzehnten April wird's wieder im Europapark.\n\nSpeaker 1: Aber da schneit's doch gar nicht. Hast Du nicht gesagt, Du fährst nur, wenn's schneit?\n\nSpeaker 0: Ja, das ist das Ding, das ist immer der, immer, das hat sich, glaub ich, letztes Jahr erst etabliert. Es gibt einen Tag, wo die Schule zu hat, weil da schnuppern ist für die neuen\n\nSpeaker 1: Ah ja.\n\nSpeaker 0: Für die Kindergärten. Und das ist halt son Tag, wo nicht überall frei ist, sondern wo regional 'n paar Schulen mal frei haben und deswegen ist das ein ein weiterer Tag. Ist nicht ganz so leer und cool wie im Dezember. Ja, Dezember ist besser, aber ja.\n\nSpeaker 1: Ironischerweise kann ich am siebzehnten April wieder nicht mitfahren, aber das ist jetzt echt cooler Zufall, weil am siebzehnten April bin ich in Disneyland.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ah, mal bitte. Da können wir's winken.\n\nSpeaker 1: Nee, ich bin in Kalifornien und Disneyland.\n\nSpeaker 0: Winken können wir uns trotzdem denken. Geht aus wie Du in Paris wärst? Kommt ähnlich gut an.\n\nSpeaker 1: Ich dachte aber, Du weißt, Du ruust es ja schon auch nah an der französischen Grenze oder so.\n\nSpeaker 0: Ja, nee, ist richtig. Na sieh mal 1 an. Ja. Also, wenn uns 1 treffen möchte,\n\nSpeaker 1: ein Drittel Ein Freizeitpark. Freizeitpark.\n\nSpeaker 0: Oder in 'nem Rogo Park, dann sagt gerne Bescheid. Ja. Und\n\nSpeaker 1: vielleicht, wie gesagt, sehen wir uns nächstes Jahr auf der Devland. Wir hatten, wir sind mit dem Orga Team so verblieben, dass und das, was wir eigentlich am Abendprogramm machen wollten, diese Kollegenchallenge, die es ja auch bei der Programmierkonzern schon gab, dass wir noch mal schauen, ob wir das dann nächstes Jahr stattfinden lassen können. Von daher gute Chancen.\n\nSpeaker 0: Sehr gut. Dann markier ich mir das mal beides im Kalender. Yes. Schön, dann danke Jan für die Einblicke zu Devland. Wenn ihr Fragen zu der Konferenz habt, könnt ihr beispielsweise auch auf Discord kommen und da direkt den Jan anhauen und sagen,\n\nSpeaker 1: hey, wie\n\nSpeaker 0: war 'n das oder das? Yes. Alternativ schreibt ihr einfach eine E-Mail an Podcast at Programmier Punkt bar, wenn ihr Fragen habt oder auch natürlich, wenn es Feedback gibt zu dieser Folge oder zu irgendwas, was wir in der Programmier machen, dann schreibt uns sehr, sehr gerne\n\nSpeaker 1: oder direkt die neue Feedbackfunktion benutzen, die jetzt auch Kommentare unterstützt.\n\nSpeaker 0: Das ist richtig. Genau. Ihr könnt sowohl in den Shownotes als auch auf der Webseite oder irgendwo, wo ihr was seht über die Podcastfolge, könnt ihr direkt auf son Däumchen hoch oder runter klicken. Und das führt euch dann zu der Webseite, wo das dann bereits hinterlegt ist, ob ihr das Däumchen hoch- oder runtergemacht habt. Und dann könnt ihr noch eine Textzeile dazuschreiben und das wird anonym irgendwo archiviert.\n\nAlso Klotz, sei Dank. Oh, das ist ja lustig. Was? Das hab ich noch gar nicht als, Du hast Du jetzt grad son son neues Meme, son neues, das kann viral gehen. Cloud sei Dank.\n\nSpeaker 1: Ja. Ach so.\n\nSpeaker 0: Aus Versehen. Ja. Ach, Cloud sei Dank haben wir das jetzt. Ja, sehr gut. Mag ich.\n\nSchön. Vielen Dank und bis bald.\n\nSpeaker 1: Bis denn, Herr Raul. Und wenn\n\nSpeaker 0: ihr jetzt da grade zugehört habt und die DeecomPALT Folge, die parallel veröffentlicht wurde, nicht gehört habt, schaltet da rein. Da haben wir in knappen 55 Minuten zusammengefasst, was es dazu geben gab.\n\nSpeaker 1: Ja. Wunderbar.\n\nSpeaker 0: Bis bald. Macht's gut. Tschüs. Tschau, 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und herzlich willkommen zu einem neuen Programmierbar Special.",{"text":19773,"start":148,"end":157},"Ich bin Special?",{"text":19775,"start":162,"end":202},"Dennis Becker und neben mir sitzt Jan Gregor im Getriebe.",{"text":19777,"start":207,"end":220},"Mit extra viel Pause.",{"text":19779,"start":220,"end":240},"Mit extra viel Pause und eben.",32,{"sentences":19782,"speaker":109,"num_words":19785,"start":240,"end":327},[19783],{"text":19784,"start":240,"end":327},"So ist es, cool, schon ist es immer so stark, das ebenke oder nur weil wir immer den Witz mit Getriebe machen.",22,{"sentences":19787,"speaker":88,"num_words":19790,"start":327,"end":368},[19788],{"text":19789,"start":327,"end":368},"Ich hab keine Ahnung, ich hab 3 Radmo lang gezogen.",10,{"sentences":19792,"speaker":109,"num_words":19801,"start":368,"end":549},[19793,19794,19795,19797,19799],{"text":376,"start":368,"end":373},{"text":382,"start":379,"end":380},{"text":19796,"start":385,"end":392},"Ja, herzlich willkommen.",{"text":19798,"start":392,"end":512},"Gefühlt haben wir die ganze Zeit, also das ist ja dann in in dem Kalender der Podcast nicht unbedingt so, aber zumindest die Aufnahmen, die ich im Moment habe, haben eine sehr hohe Taktung.",{"text":19800,"start":517,"end":549},"Von daher gefühlt hauen wir viel raus und auch viele Specials.",50,{"sentences":19803,"speaker":88,"num_words":19813,"start":553,"end":868},[19804,19806,19808,19810,19811],{"text":19805,"start":553,"end":635},"Auch die Veröffentlichung hat eine hohe Taktung, weil wir machen im Prinzip quasi im Wochentag gerade, obwohl wir eigentlich nur alle 2 Wochen machen.",{"text":19807,"start":638,"end":701},"Ich hab voll mal hochgerechnet, wenn wir das so durchhalten, dann haben wir dieses Jahr noch mehr Podcasts als letztes Jahr.",{"text":19809,"start":705,"end":728},"Dabei war das noch nicht mal 'n Ziel.",{"text":737,"start":733,"end":734},{"text":19812,"start":734,"end":868},"Und eigentlich hab ich das auch komplett abgeschrieben, weil wir hatten ja die Schotter als letztes Jahr, die das so künstlich hochgeschoben haben und ich hätte gedacht, nie wieder machen wir so viele Podcasts mir, aber wir sind auf 'nem sehr guten Kurs.",97,{"sentences":19815,"speaker":109,"num_words":19822,"start":868,"end":1044},[19816,19818,19820],{"text":19817,"start":868,"end":877},"Sehr gut.",{"text":19819,"start":882,"end":959},"Heute sprechen wir aber nicht über Podcasts, sondern wir sprechen über Konferenzen, beziehungsweise ihr habt zugeschaltet zu einem Recap 1 weiteren Konferenz, die wir besucht haben.",{"text":19821,"start":959,"end":1044},"Und wenn ich von wir spreche, dann spreche ich von der Programmierbar, denn tatsächlich da in Person war nur 1 von uns beiden und das warst Du Jan.",56,{"sentences":19824,"speaker":88,"num_words":19834,"start":1049,"end":1256},[19825,19826,19828,19830,19832],{"text":1053,"start":1049,"end":1050},{"text":19827,"start":1050,"end":1103},"Ich war, also eigentlich hätten wir ja zu zweit auf die Deatland gesollt, auf der wir waren.",{"text":19829,"start":1107,"end":1140},"Wir waren da eingeladen, Teil des Abendprogramms zu sein.",{"text":19831,"start":1140,"end":1170},"Das hat dann aus verschiedensten logistischen Gründen nicht geklappt.",{"text":19833,"start":1175,"end":1256},"Dementsprechend hat sich Julian dann kurzfristig entschieden, doch auch zu Hause zu bleiben, andere Sachen noch anstanden und dann stand ich alleine in Rust im Europapark.",62,{"sentences":19836,"speaker":109,"num_words":19845,"start":1260,"end":1469},[19837,19839,19841,19843],{"text":19838,"start":1260,"end":1269},"Raus im Europapark.",{"text":19840,"start":1272,"end":1328},"Also, nochmal, das hast Du also nehmen wir, die haben wir aber nicht richtig erwähnt, Dafland.",{"text":19842,"start":1332,"end":1349},"Das ist die Konferenz, die es geht.",{"text":19844,"start":1353,"end":1469},"Die hat stattgefunden am zwölften und dreizehnten März im Europapark und auch hier weiß ich nicht genau auf dem Schedule, aber wir haben noch eine Folge aufgenommen zur, weil die ja im gleichen Termin stattfand.",61,{"sentences":19847,"speaker":88,"num_words":19850,"start":1473,"end":1499},[19848],{"text":19849,"start":1473,"end":1499},"Und auch am gleichen Tag veröffentlicht wird die Folge.",9,{"sentences":19852,"speaker":109,"num_words":19857,"start":1499,"end":1539},[19853,19855],{"text":19854,"start":1499,"end":1530},"Ach, die kommt mit am gleichen Tag die Folge.",{"text":19856,"start":1530,"end":1539},"Das war dein",12,{"sentences":19859,"speaker":88,"num_words":19862,"start":1539,"end":1573},[19860],{"text":19861,"start":1539,"end":1573},"Vorschlag zumindest und wir haben das so in den Kalender gesehen.",11,{"sentences":19864,"speaker":109,"num_words":19867,"start":1573,"end":1590},[19865],{"text":19866,"start":1573,"end":1590},"Ist ein sehr guter Folge.",5,{"sentences":19869,"speaker":88,"num_words":19872,"start":1590,"end":1612},[19870],{"text":19871,"start":1590,"end":1612},"Ja, ich glaube, das ist unglaublich.",6,{"sentences":19874,"speaker":109,"num_words":19877,"start":1615,"end":1621},[19875],{"text":19876,"start":1615,"end":1621},"Richtig, also",2,{"sentences":19879,"speaker":88,"num_words":19862,"start":1624,"end":1661},[19880,19882],{"text":19881,"start":1624,"end":1653},"Rocket Science, dass man da überhaupt drauf gekommen ist.",{"text":19883,"start":1653,"end":1661},"Ja, ja.",{"sentences":19885,"speaker":109,"num_words":19890,"start":1665,"end":1750},[19886,19888],{"text":19887,"start":1665,"end":1716},"Das könnt ihr dann in der Parallelfolge hören sozusagen, was dort passiert ist, was im gleichen Datum war.",{"text":19889,"start":1720,"end":1750},"Judi, so, eigentlich hat die mich ja stark getriggert, die Konferenz.",29,{"sentences":19892,"speaker":88,"num_words":19897,"start":1754,"end":1798},[19893,19895],{"text":19894,"start":1754,"end":1765},"Ja, ich war auch hart.",{"text":19896,"start":1765,"end":1798},"Enttäuscht, dass Du nicht mitbekommen bist, muss ich sagen.",14,{"sentences":19899,"speaker":109,"num_words":19910,"start":1798,"end":2155},[19900,19902,19904,19906,19908],{"text":19901,"start":1798,"end":1868},"Einfach nur auf auf Basis des Fakts, dass Europa Park mit dem Titel oder im subtile steht, dass es dort stattfindet.",{"text":19903,"start":1872,"end":2034},"Ich hab aber auch gleichzeitig damals schon gesagt, ich bin mal gespannt, wie viel Europa Park dort ist, weil wenn ich's jetzt wirklich so die full flatged Experience wär, dann ist ja auch irgendwie schwer zu entscheiden, soll ich jetzt 'n Talk gehen, kann ich lieber Achterbahn fahren, was mache ich den ganzen Tag?",{"text":19905,"start":2038,"end":2077},"Aber, genau, Kurz hast Du ja schon 'n bisschen berichtet, mir gegenüber.",{"text":19907,"start":2081,"end":2133},"Ich weiß nicht, ist nicht der der relevanteste Fakt, aber fangen wir vielleicht mal mit dem Setting an so.",{"text":19909,"start":2133,"end":2155},"Wie viel Europapark war denn auf der Daveland?",114,{"sentences":19912,"speaker":88,"num_words":19923,"start":2159,"end":2549},[19913,19915,19917,19919,19921],{"text":19914,"start":2159,"end":2300},"Also ich find das schon 'n relevanten Teil, weil wenn ihr auf die Daveland Webseite geht und son bisschen anschaut, wie sie sich auch positionieren und bewerben, dann werben sie ja schon sehr stark damit, dass es im Europapark stattfindet und dass quasi Freizeitparkatmosphäre und Gefühl Teil der Experience ist.",{"text":19916,"start":2303,"end":2441},"Und das geht ja sogar so weit, als dass ich sagen würde, die Außendarstellung ist ja schon sehr stark darauf optimiert, son bisschen das Ganze nicht nur als Fortbildung, sondern auch als Teamevent irgendwie verkaufen, so gemeinsam, also Spaß und Lernstelle irgendwie gleichermaßen im im Vordergrund.",{"text":19918,"start":2445,"end":2477},"Und deshalb find ich's schon fair, das irgendwie da auch mit mit reinzuziehen.",{"text":19920,"start":2481,"end":2518},"Die Frage, wie viel Europapark jetzt tatsächlich in der Konferenz steckt, weniger als gedacht.",{"text":19922,"start":2522,"end":2549},"Ich glaub ehrlicherweise auch weniger als von den Veranstaltern erhofft.",133,{"sentences":19925,"speaker":88,"num_words":19872,"start":2554,"end":2578},[19926,19927,19928],{"text":2557,"start":2554,"end":2555},{"text":2561,"start":2555,"end":2559},{"text":19929,"start":2564,"end":2578},"Zum Vergleich Bist Du",{"sentences":19931,"speaker":109,"num_words":19934,"start":2578,"end":2592},[19932],{"text":19933,"start":2578,"end":2592},"da Achterbahn gefahren, vielleicht?",4,{"sentences":19936,"speaker":88,"num_words":19947,"start":2592,"end":2750},[19937,19939,19941,19943,19945],{"text":19938,"start":2592,"end":2605},"Ich bin in Achterbahn gefahren.",{"text":19940,"start":2605,"end":2651},"Also so the Elephant in room, ja, es gab Achterbahnen so, ja.",{"text":19942,"start":2654,"end":2705},"Es gab auf Freizeitpark Fast Food, sag ich mal, Systemgastronomie, ja, Catering und so.",{"text":19944,"start":2708,"end":2727},"Aber es war halt wesentlich weniger als der.",{"text":19946,"start":2727,"end":2750},"Also zum einen ist ja der Europapark noch zu.",48,{"sentences":19949,"speaker":88,"num_words":19959,"start":2750,"end":2905},[19950,19952,19954,19955,19957],{"text":19951,"start":2750,"end":2792},"Der Europapark ist 1 der wenigen Themenparks, glaub ich, so, die saisonal geschlossen haben.",{"text":19953,"start":2792,"end":2848},"Ich glaub, Dezember, Januar, Februar ist da quasi Schicht im Schacht und irgendwann im März machen sie wieder auf.",{"text":2557,"start":2848,"end":2851},{"text":19956,"start":2851,"end":2879},"Und in diese Zeit ist da die Deadline gefallen.",{"text":19958,"start":2879,"end":2905},"Das heißt, das war sowieso kein regulärer Freizeitparkbetrieb.",51,{"sentences":19961,"speaker":88,"num_words":19970,"start":2909,"end":3200},[19962,19963,19965,19967,19969],{"text":2912,"start":2909,"end":2910},{"text":19964,"start":2914,"end":2948},"Sondern es waren quasi nur vereinzelt Teile des Parks für uns geöffnet.",{"text":19966,"start":2951,"end":3118},"Die Konferenz selbst hat in diesem, ich glaub Confex heißt dieses Confeence Center, was wir da vor an dem Europapark angeflanscht haben, da hat er stattgefunden und das ist quasi so an der Außenmauer des Europaparks, das heißt, Du gehst quasi in das Conference Center rein, kannst hinten raus quasi in den Park sozusagen reingehen.",{"text":19968,"start":3122,"end":3197},"Kannst dann da den den Park quasi nutzen für die Mittagspause, kannst da essen gehen und und so weiter, aber es hatten halt überhaupt keine Fahrgeschäfte erst mal auf.",{"text":2561,"start":3197,"end":3200},98,{"sentences":19972,"speaker":88,"num_words":19977,"start":3203,"end":3271},[19973,19975],{"text":19974,"start":3203,"end":3258},"Es hatten dann abends eine Achterbahn für uns geöffnet, die ich sag immer Euro sat, aber so heißt sie nicht mehr.",{"text":19976,"start":3258,"end":3271},"Sie heißt jetzt nämlich?",25,{"sentences":19979,"speaker":109,"num_words":19983,"start":3275,"end":3286},[19980,19981],{"text":2912,"start":3275,"end":3276},{"text":19982,"start":3281,"end":3286},"Kong Kong.",3,{"sentences":19985,"speaker":88,"num_words":19994,"start":3290,"end":3345},[19986,19988,19990,19992],{"text":19987,"start":3290,"end":3297},"Ja, irgendwie sowas.",{"text":19989,"start":3302,"end":3321},"Conco Poster, glaube ich, irgendwie sowas.",{"text":19991,"start":3325,"end":3333},"Trotz Euro sat.",{"text":19993,"start":3333,"end":3345},"Für mich immer Euro",16,{"sentences":19996,"speaker":109,"num_words":19780,"start":3347,"end":3447},[19997,19999,20001],{"text":19998,"start":3347,"end":3416},"Ich weiß nicht, ob wir sogar offiziell auch noch Euro sat irgendwo da mit drin ist in dem Namen Euro sat Conkonkurs oder trotzdem.",{"text":20000,"start":3421,"end":3427},"Ah, ja.",{"text":20002,"start":3427,"end":3447},"Aber das Ding in der Kugel.",{"sentences":20004,"speaker":88,"num_words":20015,"start":3447,"end":3694},[20005,20007,20009,20011,20013],{"text":20006,"start":3447,"end":3455},"Ja, genau.",{"text":20008,"start":3455,"end":3483},"Das Ding das Ding in der Kugel hatte da geöffnet.",{"text":20010,"start":3483,"end":3614},"Aber ich kenn das auch von anderen Konferenzen, die in, an, 'n Freizeitpark stattgefunden haben, dass es eigentlich so ist, dass irgendwie mehr vom Park geöffnet ist, gerade auch, was so die Fahrgeschäfte angehen, sodass man zum Beispiel in der Mittagspause irgendwie mal was fahren kann oder so was ja.",{"text":20012,"start":3614,"end":3667},"Oder ehrlicherweise auch, wenn man mal 'n Slot findet, wo irgendwie kein Talk relevant ist, dass man da was machen kann.",{"text":20014,"start":3671,"end":3694},"Also man kann das, glaub ich, schon intensiver verbinden.",92,{"sentences":20017,"speaker":88,"num_words":20021,"start":3698,"end":3770},[20018,20020],{"text":20019,"start":3698,"end":3766},"Was, glaub ich, Teil der Geschichte ist, ist, dass auf der Deflant gefühlt weniger Teilnehmerinnen waren, als, glaube ich, die Veranstalter erhofft hatten.",{"text":2561,"start":3769,"end":3770},24,{"sentences":20023,"speaker":109,"num_words":438,"start":3773,"end":3879},[20024],{"text":20025,"start":3773,"end":3879},"Du kannst auch noch ganz kurz in den Kontext bringen, wer, also das ist ja nicht die einzige Konferenz, die jeder im Europa stattgefunden hat und hat der auch was mit der Devland zu tun, soweit ich weiß?",{"sentences":20027,"speaker":88,"num_words":20037,"start":3882,"end":4163},[20028,20029,20031,20033,20035],{"text":2912,"start":3882,"end":3883},{"text":20030,"start":3887,"end":3934},"Also die Devland wird quasi von dem denselben Köpfen verantwortet, die auch für die Javaland zuständig sind.",{"text":20032,"start":3937,"end":4022},"Die Javaland ist, wie der Name schon vermuten lässt, eine Java Konferenz, die auch von der DOHG eben, die 2 Tage, 3 Tage vor der Defland veranstaltet wird.",{"text":20034,"start":4022,"end":4094},"Da war ich auch, weil ich im Prinzip einen Tag zu früh angereist bin, da bin ich noch in die Javaland rein, hab mir das Ganze mal angeguckt.",{"text":20036,"start":4099,"end":4163},"Selbe Räumlichkeiten, selbes Setup, das wird im Prinzip werden nur so die Banner ausgetauscht mitten in der Nacht vom Übergang.",94,{"sentences":20039,"speaker":88,"num_words":20050,"start":4167,"end":4551},[20040,20042,20044,20046,20048],{"text":20041,"start":4167,"end":4181},"Aber die ist halt deutlich voller.",{"text":20043,"start":4184,"end":4253},"Also da sind bestimmt irgendwie 1000 Leute gewesen oder so was, ja, und auf der Defland waren jetzt laut Veranstalterangaben 500 Anmeldungen da.",{"text":20045,"start":4253,"end":4284},"Ich muss ehrlich sagen, ich hab nie so viele Leute auf einmal gesehen.",{"text":20047,"start":4284,"end":4434},"Ich hab mal während 1 der Keynotes durchgezählt und ich hätte vom Bauchgefühl her eher gesagt zwischen 2 und 300, aber ich mein, auch auf Konferenzen verläuft sicher die Masse, also will ich da jetzt niemandem unterstellen, die Unwahrheit zu sagen, aber es hat sich halt nicht nach 500 Leuten angefühlt.",{"text":20049,"start":4438,"end":4551},"Und ich glaube, wenn Du halt nur ein paar wenige 100 Leute hast, dann ist es am Ende wahrscheinlich auch eine eine Preis- und Logistikfrage, wie viel Freizeitpark man dafür dann für diese paar Leute halt noch öffnen kann am Ende des Tages, ne.",137,{"sentences":20052,"speaker":88,"num_words":20059,"start":4551,"end":4821},[20053,20054,20055,20057],{"text":2557,"start":4551,"end":4556},{"text":2561,"start":4556,"end":4558},{"text":20056,"start":4558,"end":4705},"Und wenn man sich aber anschaut, wie die Javaland funktioniert und wie das Ganze auch funktionieren kann, wenn das 'n bisschen größer ist, dann ist es, glaub ich, auch okay, der in ihrem, das hab ich, glaub ich, auch gar nicht erwähnt, in ihrem ersten Jahr jetzt, son bisschen zu gönnen, dass sie halt 'n bisschen kleiner ist.",{"text":20058,"start":4705,"end":4821},"So, ich kann mir schon vorstellen, dass das vielleicht in ein oder 2 Jahren, wenn das son bisschen Wachstum mitgenommen hat, dann ähnlich groß sein kann wie die Javaland oder vielleicht sogar größer, weil's ja viel breiteres Publikum auch ist am Ende des Tages.",104,{"sentences":20061,"speaker":109,"num_words":20064,"start":4824,"end":4911},[20062],{"text":20063,"start":4824,"end":4911},"Aber war das denn dann anders, also war die also weil wir grad noch bei Europa Park waren, war die Europa Park Experience auf der Javaland, wenn Du ja auch da warst, anders?",33,{"sentences":20066,"speaker":88,"num_words":20070,"start":4911,"end":4966},[20067,20068],{"text":2912,"start":4911,"end":4915},{"text":20069,"start":4919,"end":4966},"Die Europa Park Experience auf der Javaland war insoweitgehend anders, dass mehr Coaster geöffnet hatten an den Javaland Abenden.",20,{"sentences":20072,"speaker":109,"num_words":88,"start":4970,"end":4971},[20073],{"text":376,"start":4970,"end":4971},{"sentences":20075,"speaker":88,"num_words":20081,"start":4974,"end":5077},[20076,20078,20080],{"text":20077,"start":4974,"end":5042},"Und dass mehr zum Beispiel Restaurants in den Parks auch geöffnet hatten, Quick Service Sachen, denen noch mal irgendwie zwischendrin was zu holen oder so.",{"text":20079,"start":5042,"end":5074},"Also da hat man einfach gesehen, wo das Potenzial quasi noch sein könnte.",{"text":376,"start":5074,"end":5077},39,{"sentences":20083,"speaker":109,"num_words":19994,"start":5079,"end":5120},[20084,20086],{"text":20085,"start":5079,"end":5110},"Und ich vermute, das kannst Du dann auch noch deutlich höher skalieren oder?",{"text":20087,"start":5110,"end":5120},"Also vom Platz.",{"sentences":20089,"speaker":88,"num_words":20092,"start":5123,"end":5282},[20090],{"text":20091,"start":5123,"end":5282},"Ja, ich hatte ja im Vorfeld, wie gesagt, na wir hätten ja son bisschen das Teil des Programms eigentlich sein sollen, bisschen mit den Veranstaltern gesprochen und das ist ja eigentlich die Idee hinter der Devland ne, so breiter skalieren zu können als die Javaland das vielleicht jemals kann, weil Devland für alle Devfs, Javaland nur in Anführungszeichen für Javadefs.",60,{"sentences":20094,"speaker":109,"num_words":19872,"start":5285,"end":5299},[20095],{"text":20096,"start":5285,"end":5299},"Also nächstes Jahr nicht mehr relevant.",{"sentences":20098,"speaker":88,"num_words":19947,"start":5302,"end":5431},[20099,20101,20103,20104,20106],{"text":20100,"start":5302,"end":5312},"Das hast Du jetzt gesagt.",{"text":20102,"start":5317,"end":5323},"Grüße gehen raus.",{"text":2912,"start":5326,"end":5327},{"text":20105,"start":5327,"end":5410},"Aber also im Prinzip ist ja genau das Du hast Du hast im Prinzip die Räumlichkeiten in dem Content Center, Du hast die Hotels nebendran und Du hast Räumlichkeiten im Europapark.",{"text":20107,"start":5410,"end":5431},"Du kannst den Park Stück für stückweise öffnen.",{"sentences":20109,"speaker":88,"num_words":20118,"start":5431,"end":5818},[20110,20112,20114,20116],{"text":20111,"start":5431,"end":5541},"Also es war jetzt, während sowohl Deffland als auch Javaland war im Prinzip nur dieser deutsch italienisch französische Teil ganz am Anfang geöffnet, aber Du kannst ja im Prinzip immer mehr von dem Park halt nutzen, so wie's grade erforderlich ist.",{"text":20113,"start":5541,"end":5611},"Und dann ist wahrscheinlich eher die Frage, inwieweit skaliert's dann halt noch so mit den, ich sag mal, Wartungsarbeiten, die halt auch parallel im Park stattfinden.",{"text":20115,"start":5611,"end":5694},"Das hat man schon auch gesehen, wenn man mit der Bahn durch den Park gefahren ist, zurück zum Hotel zu kommen oder so, da wird ja schon einiges geschafft im Europa Park.",{"text":20117,"start":5694,"end":5818},"Wenn der zuhört, also die haben ja nicht umsonst zu, sondern die nutzen dieses Zeitfenster ja für viel Wartungsarbeit und das ist, glaube ich, das einzige Constrant, was sie dann so bei weiterer Skalierung hätten, aber ansonsten wär der Park ja nur für sie da.",144,{"sentences":20120,"speaker":109,"num_words":20123,"start":5820,"end":5838},[20121],{"text":20122,"start":5820,"end":5838},"Hast Du in sonem Europapark Hotel geschlafen?",7,{"sentences":20125,"speaker":88,"num_words":20135,"start":5841,"end":6054},[20126,20127,20129,20131,20133],{"text":1053,"start":5841,"end":5842},{"text":20128,"start":5842,"end":5894},"Das kann man vielleicht auch dazu sagen, ich sag jetzt mal noch nicht beim Content, aber Rahmenbedingungen gibt's auch.",{"text":20130,"start":5898,"end":5926},"Sie hatten sehr faires Pricing, was so Hotelübernachtungspakete angeht.",{"text":20132,"start":5926,"end":6036},"Also Du konntest über die Devland quasi Hotelübernachtung im Park buchen und ich glaube, ich hab da so 100 paar zerquetschte Euro pro Nacht bezahlt für 'n Einzelzimmer, was mittlerweile, glaub ich, son ganggängiger Preis ist.",{"text":20134,"start":6036,"end":6054},"Ich mein, Du rufst es natürlich",71,{"sentences":20137,"speaker":109,"num_words":20140,"start":6056,"end":6107},[20138],{"text":20139,"start":6056,"end":6107},"Und dort vor allen Dingen, also wenn der Europa offen hat, sind die ja wahnsinnig teuer diese Zimmer.",18,{"sentences":20142,"speaker":88,"num_words":20059,"start":6110,"end":6395},[20143,20145,20147,20149,20151],{"text":20144,"start":6110,"end":6172},"Ja, das hab ich dann auch mal so im Vergleichpunkt, die kosten da teilweise 3, viermal so viel, also alles alles fair.",{"text":20146,"start":6176,"end":6256},"Und da auch wahrscheinlich der Punkt, ne, die haben haben ja ansonsten zu, die würden das gar nicht ausgelastet bekommen so und dementsprechend kann man da auch 'n gutes Pricing irgendwie anbieten.",{"text":20148,"start":6260,"end":6312},"Aber ich bin ja mit meiner Familie danach noch 'n bisschen länger geblieben, noch Park und Rolandica und so anzugucken.",{"text":20150,"start":6312,"end":6355},"Dann haben wir natürlich die Hotel über Nacht selber bezahlt, war in 'nem anderen Hotel.",{"text":20152,"start":6359,"end":6395},"Und das war schon also nicht so preiswert wie das, was man da über Mhm.",{"sentences":20154,"speaker":88,"num_words":20159,"start":6397,"end":6421},[20155,20157],{"text":20156,"start":6397,"end":6415},"Dann die die Konferenzkonditionen quasi bekommt.",{"text":20158,"start":6415,"end":6421},"Und ihr",8,{"sentences":20161,"speaker":109,"num_words":20169,"start":6421,"end":6471},[20162,20164,20165,20167],{"text":20163,"start":6421,"end":6432},"wart im gleichen Hotel?",{"text":6437,"start":6432,"end":6436},{"text":20166,"start":6436,"end":6448},"Nein, nein, okay.",{"text":20168,"start":6452,"end":6471},"Also wahrscheinlich machen die ja auch komplett zu, oder?",17,{"sentences":20171,"speaker":88,"num_words":20180,"start":6471,"end":6599},[20172,20174,20175,20176,20178],{"text":20173,"start":6471,"end":6493},"Die haben dann tatsächlich auch das Hotel wieder zugemacht.",{"text":2912,"start":6493,"end":6496},{"text":2561,"start":6496,"end":6499},{"text":20177,"start":6499,"end":6537},"Ich hab so meinen Koffer in der Gepäckaufbewahrung gelassen während des letzten Konferenztags.",{"text":20179,"start":6541,"end":6599},"Da hieß es nur so, ja, Sie müssten den Koffer bis 6 Uhr abends abgeholt haben, weil sonst ist hier niemand mehr.",46,{"sentences":20182,"speaker":88,"num_words":19877,"start":6601,"end":6606},[20183,20184],{"text":376,"start":6601,"end":6602},{"text":376,"start":6605,"end":6606},{"sentences":20186,"speaker":109,"num_words":19872,"start":6609,"end":6634},[20187,20189,20190,20191,20192],{"text":20188,"start":6609,"end":6614},"Ja, verrückt.",{"text":6621,"start":6619,"end":6620},{"text":6627,"start":6623,"end":6624},{"text":1330,"start":6629,"end":6630},{"text":1330,"start":6633,"end":6634},{"sentences":20194,"speaker":109,"num_words":19857,"start":6637,"end":6668},[20195],{"text":20196,"start":6637,"end":6668},"Wie ist 'n das oder die Kommunikation, wer soll denn da hinkommen?",{"sentences":20198,"speaker":88,"num_words":20208,"start":6671,"end":6850},[20199,20200,20202,20204,20206],{"text":6674,"start":6671,"end":6672},{"text":20201,"start":6672,"end":6692},"Und ich glaube, das haben sie auch geschafft.",{"text":20203,"start":6692,"end":6757},"Also man merkt natürlich sowohl dem Klientel als auch dem Programm son bisschen an, dass sie aus dem aus diesem Java Umfeld kommen, ja.",{"text":20205,"start":6757,"end":6788},"Es gab schon son paar einzelnen Talks, der java lastig waren.",{"text":20207,"start":6788,"end":6850},"Es waren auch viele Leute da, die einfach auch auf der Javaland waren und dann quasi sozusagen verlängert haben, sich die definitiv auch noch anzugucken.",69,{"sentences":20210,"speaker":88,"num_words":20220,"start":6853,"end":7101},[20211,20213,20215,20217,20218],{"text":20212,"start":6853,"end":7035},"Aber ein ein deutlich größerer Teil der Talks war eigentlich sehr holistisch, wenn's Architektur geht, wenn's Datenschutz geht, wenn's Cloud Infrastruktur geht, wenn's AI geht, das hat ja alles relativ wenig Java Spezifisches und da kann im Prinzip jeder hin, es gab auch Themen, die son bisschen nicht Techy, was heißt nicht Techy, es gab es gab Talks über Management, Product.",{"text":20214,"start":7039,"end":7043},"Ja, auch.",{"text":20216,"start":7043,"end":7072},"Es gab aber auch Talks über so Personal Branding auf LinkedIn.",{"text":2557,"start":7076,"end":7077},{"text":20219,"start":7077,"end":7101},"Es gab auch Talks zu Women in Tech.",83,{"sentences":20222,"speaker":88,"num_words":331,"start":7104,"end":7187},[20223,20225,20227],{"text":20224,"start":7104,"end":7145},"Es gab auch Talks zu Burn out und so, ähnliche Sachen, Lightning Talks auch noch.",{"text":20226,"start":7145,"end":7163},"Also es ist schon sehr breitaufstädten.",{"text":20228,"start":7167,"end":7187},"Das ist ja auch das Ziel hinten dran, ne?",{"sentences":20230,"speaker":109,"num_words":20135,"start":7191,"end":7384},[20231,20232,20233,20235,20237],{"text":7195,"start":7191,"end":7192},{"text":2912,"start":7192,"end":7197},{"text":20234,"start":7200,"end":7230},"Und das war ja auch eben kein böser gemeinter Kommentar mit DJvaland.",{"text":20236,"start":7234,"end":7247},"Gibt's da nicht mehr nächstes Jahr.",{"text":20238,"start":7247,"end":7384},"Aber es ist ja tatsächlich, als ich mein, ne, im Hintergrund haben wir ja auch schon ab und zu mal gesprochen, so auch für die Programmierbar, ohne dass wir jetzt 'n konkreten Contentplan haben und sagen, das müssen die nächsten Themen sein, aber sehr automatisch verschiebt verschiebt sich das natürlich, ne.",{"sentences":20240,"speaker":109,"num_words":20245,"start":7384,"end":7629},[20241,20243],{"text":20242,"start":7384,"end":7589},"Und auch die Frage in den regulären News Folgen, die wir haben, ne, macht da dann zukünftig das Update zu, weiß ich nicht, Tailwind Sinn so, ne, also weil sich einfach, ja, der oder die Entwickler*innen halt nicht mehr damit so beschaffen beschäftigen müssen und dann eher Teamstrukturen, wie arbeitet man mit den Tools und so weiter, solche Themen halt dann jetzt relevanter werden für das gleiche Zielpublikum, aber halt mit 'n bisschen anderen Inhalten.",{"text":20244,"start":7593,"end":7629},"Insofern ist es ja wahrscheinlich gar nicht so doof, sich da 'n bisschen anders aufzustellen.",90,{"sentences":20247,"speaker":88,"num_words":20015,"start":7629,"end":7899},[20248,20250,20252,20254,20256],{"text":20249,"start":7629,"end":7692},"Und wenn man sich die Tracks anguckt, dann sieht man auch, dass sie eigentlich relativ wenig also Stackspezifische Sachen hatten, sag ich mal.",{"text":20251,"start":7692,"end":7791},"Ja, also die Tracks waren AI, Data, Infrastructure, jetzt muss ich auch mal Notizen gucken, Infrastructure, Cloud, Carrier und so Visionary, was so dieser Produkt, Ziel Level Management Track irgendwie war.",{"text":20253,"start":7791,"end":7822},"Aber da ist jetzt nichts dabei von Frontend, Backend, Datenbanken.",{"text":20255,"start":7826,"end":7889},"Das hat zwar auch überall immer son bisschen stattgefunden, aber das hat man auf anderen Konferenzen schon auch sehr viel technischer erlebt, so, ne?",{"text":20257,"start":7889,"end":7899},"Muss man auch sagen.",{"sentences":20259,"speaker":109,"num_words":20264,"start":7901,"end":8083},[20260,20262],{"text":20261,"start":7901,"end":7958},"Okay und wenn Du jetzt 5 oder 6 Tracks aufgezählt hast, das ist ja dann relativ viel für 500 Leute, vermute ich.",{"text":20263,"start":7962,"end":8083},"Also oder beziehungsweise ich meine, ist natürlich schwierig, wenn Du jetzt das allererste Mal sone Konferenz machst und keine Ahnung, aber der Anspruch ist ja wahrscheinlich dann, den kann man ja schon 'n bisschen ablesen, wenn irgendwo, war's ein, nee, 2 Tage sogar, ne?",66,{"sentences":20266,"speaker":88,"num_words":20276,"start":8083,"end":8262},[20267,20269,20270,20272,20274],{"text":20268,"start":8083,"end":8122},"2 Tage, 6 Tracks, aber es waren noch nicht alle Tracks zu jeder Zeit voll bespielt.",{"text":376,"start":8125,"end":8126},{"text":20271,"start":8130,"end":8177},"Es gab einen großen Raum, wo auch die Keynotes stattfinden, da waren schon immer auch am meisten Leute.",{"text":20273,"start":8177,"end":8232},"Die anderen Räume waren so in der Größenordnung, wo ich sag mal, Du mit 50 Leuten noch angenehm sitzen konntest, ja.",{"text":20275,"start":8235,"end":8262},"Aber es waren tatsächlich auch manche der Talks eher sehr rar besucht.",68,{"sentences":20278,"speaker":88,"num_words":20015,"start":8265,"end":8500},[20279,20281,20283],{"text":20280,"start":8265,"end":8337},"Ich hab Talks erlebt, wo ich in 'nem 50 Mann Raum mit vielleicht 70 Personen gesessen hab und am Ende haben noch hinten Leute gestanden, ja, das ist auch vollkommen.",{"text":20282,"start":8337,"end":8394},"Aber ich hab auch Sessions erlebt, wo man mit 5 Leuten irgendwie drin gesessen hat, was, glaub ich, auf jeder Konferenz passieren kann.",{"text":20284,"start":8394,"end":8500},"Ich find das aber auch per se immer nicht schlecht, solange der Speaker sich davon nicht unter oder die Speakerin nicht unterkriegen lässt und son bisschen entmutigt dann irgendwie dasteht, kann das ja auch eine sehr coole Atmosphäre sein.",{"sentences":20286,"speaker":109,"num_words":20292,"start":8502,"end":8559},[20287,20288,20290],{"text":19883,"start":8502,"end":8507},{"text":20289,"start":8509,"end":8533},"Und dieser Keynoteraum, was hat der für eine Kapazität?",{"text":20291,"start":8533,"end":8559},"Also wie groß könnte man praktisch sone gemeinsame Keynote machen?",21,{"sentences":20294,"speaker":88,"num_words":20305,"start":8562,"end":8770},[20295,20297,20299,20301,20303],{"text":20296,"start":8562,"end":8570},"Ich müsste überlegen.",{"text":20298,"start":8574,"end":8616},"Ich glaub während der würd ich vermuten, dass da so 300 Leute vielleicht reingepasst hätten von der Bestuhlung.",{"text":20300,"start":8620,"end":8642},"Da waren auch Stehtische hinten dran und so weiter.",{"text":20302,"start":8642,"end":8675},"Also man hätte auch alle angeblich 500 angemeldeten da irgendwie reinkriegen können.",{"text":20304,"start":8678,"end":8770},"Während der Javaland war er ungefähr doppelt so groß bestult, also das wurde quasi mehr Trennwand dann noch noch weggenommen und dann hätten da bestimmt auch, weiß ich nicht, 800000 Leute oder so sitzen können.",77,{"sentences":20307,"speaker":88,"num_words":20169,"start":8770,"end":8815},[20308,20310,20312],{"text":20309,"start":8770,"end":8788},"Also da war schon deutlich mehr Platz noch.",{"text":20311,"start":8790,"end":8812},"Können da noch reinwachsen, sagen wir's mal so.",{"text":2557,"start":8814,"end":8815},{"sentences":20314,"speaker":109,"num_words":20323,"start":8817,"end":9050},[20315,20317,20319,20321],{"text":20316,"start":8817,"end":8863},"Ja, aber, weil wir gerade über am Anfang über die Skalierung und es gibt verschiedene Sachen noch und so.",{"text":20318,"start":8866,"end":8917},"Ich fänd es ja irgendwie immer ganz schön, wenn wenn diese, wenn Keynotes oder so was irgendwie womöglich gemeinsam sind.",{"text":20320,"start":8917,"end":8984},"Aber ich hab grad überlegt, keine Ahnung, ob der Video Developers, wo dann irgendwie 10000 Entwickler*innen sind, da ist natürlich auch nicht so.",{"text":20322,"start":8984,"end":9050},"Ich mein, da wird das halt, da gibt's halt eine und da sind auch dann wahrscheinlich schon irgendwie x, das ist wahrscheinlich über 1000, die da reingehen.",89,{"sentences":20325,"speaker":88,"num_words":19872,"start":9052,"end":9068},[20326],{"text":20327,"start":9052,"end":9068},"Aber ich würde sagen, Mensch, auf",{"sentences":20329,"speaker":109,"num_words":19872,"start":9068,"end":9085},[20330],{"text":20331,"start":9068,"end":9085},"der trotzdem auf die anderen Sachen.",{"sentences":20333,"speaker":88,"num_words":20059,"start":9085,"end":9363},[20334,20336,20337,20339,20341],{"text":20335,"start":9085,"end":9151},"Auf der Google Cloud Next jetzt ja schon 'n paar Mal auch waren und da ist ja immer die Keynote im son in soner Sportarena.",{"text":2557,"start":9155,"end":9156},{"text":20338,"start":9156,"end":9268},"Und wenn Du dann mit, ich weiß nicht, 15000 Leuten da sitzt und am Ende 'n sehr ungünstigen Platz hast, dann guckst Du ja am Ende auch irgendwie mehr auf diesen Jumbo Tron in der Mitte als auf die Bühne vor dir.",{"text":20340,"start":9268,"end":9300},"Dann ist es auch vom Streaming ehrlicherweise nicht so weit weg irgendwer.",{"text":20342,"start":9300,"end":9363},"Du bist son bisschen im im Raum und hast von der Atmosphäre noch was und die Begeisterung bei manchen Themen kriegst Du noch mit.",{"sentences":20344,"speaker":88,"num_words":20355,"start":9366,"end":9610},[20345,20347,20349,20351,20353],{"text":20346,"start":9366,"end":9402},"Aber ja, ich glaub, realistischerweise alles über 1000 Leute wird dann irgendwann 'n bisschen distanzierter.",{"text":20348,"start":9406,"end":9478},"Und weil Du grade sagst, dass alle für sone Kino zusammenbringen, das ist auch was, vielleicht so mein persönlich größter Knackpunkt an an der Deadline.",{"text":20350,"start":9478,"end":9514},"Also da ist halt, hat eine Keynote Inflation stattgefunden, das hab ich noch nicht erlebt.",{"text":20352,"start":9514,"end":9574},"Also ich bin ja, ich mein, wir haben das auch bei der Programmierkunden schon gehabt, diese Diskussion, wie viele Keynotes verträgt sone Konferenz eigentlich?",{"text":20354,"start":9574,"end":9610},"Wir hatten bei uns 2, so eine pro Tag, das finde ich ganz gut.",93,{"sentences":20357,"speaker":88,"num_words":20323,"start":9613,"end":9854},[20358,20360,20362,20364,20366],{"text":20359,"start":9613,"end":9652},"Und also es heißt ja auch Keynote, weil das so die Schlüsselnote setzen soll, so.",{"text":20361,"start":9652,"end":9713},"Weil ein ein Impuls mal irgendwie so, womit wollen wir uns beschäftigen, was ist so die die Stimmung, was ist so das Thema?",{"text":20363,"start":9717,"end":9794},"Und ich glaube, ich hab mir das irgendwie rausgeschrieben, es gab 10 Keynotes auf diesen 2 Tagen, ja, Session Keynote und Track Keynote und Opening Keynote und Community.",{"text":20365,"start":9797,"end":9829},"Nein, also wenn alles eine Keynote ist, ist nichts eine Keynote irgendwie, so, ja.",{"text":20367,"start":9829,"end":9854},"Also da sollten wir vielleicht noch mal drüber nachdenken.",{"sentences":20369,"speaker":88,"num_words":20374,"start":9854,"end":10007},[20370,20372],{"text":20371,"start":9854,"end":9962},"Ich bin auch, als ich angekommen oder ziemlich vorbereitet hab und die Agenda so durch bin und man schreibt's ja immer so raus, wo wie man hin, hab ich auch die ersten 2, oh, Keynote hier, Keynote da, da muss ich hin.",{"text":20373,"start":9962,"end":10007},"Und irgendwie nach der vierten Keynote dacht ich mir so, nee, also jetzt jetzt ist auch egal.",59,{"sentences":20376,"speaker":109,"num_words":20385,"start":10010,"end":10107},[20377,20379,20381,20383],{"text":20378,"start":10010,"end":10023},"Hast Du recht, ja.",{"text":20380,"start":10027,"end":10033},"Okay, spannend.",{"text":20382,"start":10036,"end":10059},"Gut und wo hast Du dich persönlich aufgehalten?",{"text":20384,"start":10062,"end":10107},"Also Plan war ja eigentlich, Jens der Achterbahn zu fahren, das ist ist nicht in Erfüllung gegangen.",31,{"sentences":20387,"speaker":88,"num_words":20070,"start":10107,"end":10166},[20388,20390],{"text":20389,"start":10107,"end":10145},"Ja, am liebsten hätte ich mich auf der Silverstar aufgehalten, die ganzen Tag.",{"text":20391,"start":10145,"end":10166},"Das hat leider nicht so einen Satz.",{"sentences":20393,"speaker":109,"num_words":19934,"start":10166,"end":10182},[20394],{"text":20395,"start":10166,"end":10182},"Deine Lieblingsachterbahn im Europapark.",{"sentences":20397,"speaker":88,"num_words":20407,"start":10182,"end":10375},[20398,20400,20401,20403,20405],{"text":20399,"start":10182,"end":10226},"Ich musste feststellen, ich war, glaub ich, 5, 10 oder 15 Jahre nicht im Europapark.",{"text":2557,"start":10228,"end":10229},{"text":20402,"start":10229,"end":10284},"Wir fahren ja hier mit, also ihr fahrt ja mit der Firma jedes Jahr dahin und das hat für mich noch nicht geklappt.",{"text":20404,"start":10286,"end":10334},"Und da jetzt war ich dadurch dann festgestellt, dass da so viele Sachen sind, die ich noch gar nicht gefahren bin.",{"text":20406,"start":10338,"end":10375},"Von daher, ja, tatsächlich das letzte Große, was ich mitgekriegt hab, war so Silverstar.",74,{"sentences":20409,"speaker":88,"num_words":19834,"start":10379,"end":10530},[20410,20412],{"text":20411,"start":10379,"end":10432},"Aber ich muss immer sagen, mein mein persönliches Highlight war eigentlich schon immer die Euro mir, weil ich das vom Fahrgefühl cooler finde.",{"text":20413,"start":10432,"end":10530},"Also Silverstar zwar auch so, ne, son paar coole Jobs und so, aber das Schöne in der Euro mir den den großen Ausblick zu haben in dem Park und diese Tränen und Sitze und so, das gibt mir irgendwie",{"sentences":20415,"speaker":109,"num_words":19867,"start":10532,"end":10548},[20416,20417,20418],{"text":3259,"start":10532,"end":10533},{"text":10540,"start":10537,"end":10538},{"text":20419,"start":10542,"end":10548},"Ich glaube dann",{"sentences":20421,"speaker":88,"num_words":20428,"start":10550,"end":10602},[20422,20424,20426],{"text":20423,"start":10550,"end":10558},"Ja, ist vorbei.",{"text":20425,"start":10558,"end":10585},"In der Euro mir gibt's nicht mehr, hab ich gehört.",{"text":20427,"start":10588,"end":10602},"Also gibt's vielleicht irgendwann wieder, oder?",19,{"sentences":20430,"speaker":109,"num_words":20070,"start":10602,"end":10652},[20431],{"text":20432,"start":10602,"end":10652},"Ja, ich glaube, ja, es soll mehr oder weniger einen werden, aber ich meine, es war letztes Jahr das letzte",{"sentences":20434,"speaker":88,"num_words":20444,"start":10654,"end":10768},[20435,20437,20439,20440,20442],{"text":20436,"start":10654,"end":10673},"Ja, ja, also ist schon ist schon zu.",{"text":20438,"start":10673,"end":10729},"Hat man auch was gesehen, als wir durch 'n Park gefahren sind, dass da schon jetzt dieser Wartebereich abgebaut und so was alles.",{"text":2912,"start":10729,"end":10733},{"text":20441,"start":10735,"end":10754},"Hab ich hab ich schon mehrfach festgestellt.",{"text":20443,"start":10754,"end":10768},"Aber brauche ich mich aufgehalten?",44,{"sentences":20446,"speaker":88,"num_words":20455,"start":10771,"end":11389},[20447,20449,20451,20453],{"text":20448,"start":10771,"end":10936},"Ja, ich war tatsächlich, also ich versuch, wenn ich auf so eine Konferenz gehe und die aus in Anführungszeichen journalistischer Sicht besuche, also für die programmierbar und nicht, mich halt selbst in irgend 'nem speziellen Bereich weiterzubilden, versuche ich auch so bewusst in die Talks reinzugehen, wo ich eigentlich nie reingehen würde, einfach mal son bisschen zu gucken, wie ist das da so?",{"text":20450,"start":10940,"end":11226},"Und war zum Beispiel in einem Talk gelandet über Vektordatenbanken von einem Professor Olaf Herden von der DHBW, wo ich dachte, okay, das bestimmt so 2 Level zu hoch für mich, aber ist ja cool, dass sie auch son Level irgendwie anbieten und der hat es tatsächlich verdammt gut geschafft, son Talk zu sonem sehr, sehr technischen Thema zu halten und eine sehr schnelle, sehr tiefe Einführung zu machen, alle erst mal so auf einen die Wut zu bringen, so und dann halt so zu besprechen, ne, wie macht man irgendwie so und wie berechnet man irgendwie Distanzen in soner Vektordatenbank und wie entsteht son Vektor überhaupt und bla.",{"text":20452,"start":11226,"end":11280},"Und das fand ich krass, weil das ist was, was meiner Meinung nach ganz oft auf so Konferenzen irgendwie fehlt.",{"text":20454,"start":11284,"end":11389},"Nicht nur so, ich bin Anwender von irgend 'nem Framework oder von irgend 'ner Library und zeig euch jetzt, wie das geht, sondern so richtig Grundlagenwissen irgendwie zu vermitteln, ja, und das fand ich irgendwie mal 'n 'n cooles Beispiel.",232,{"sentences":20457,"speaker":88,"num_words":20468,"start":11389,"end":11830},[20458,20460,20462,20464,20466],{"text":20459,"start":11389,"end":11460},"Aber auch natürlich in vielen AI Talks irgendwie, ja, zu, wie baust Du eigene Modelle oder wie fineunes Du irgendwie eigene Modelle mit deinen eigenen Daten?",{"text":20461,"start":11460,"end":11530},"Da gab's 'n paar coole Vorträge von Cedric Clayburn, der bei Red Head arbeitet und da son bisschen AI Developer Relations macht.",{"text":20463,"start":11533,"end":11666},"Es gab 'n paar Vorträge von Adorses, die irgendwie auch Partner oder Sponsor oder so was waren und auch viel von ihrer eigenen Arbeit gezeigt haben und auch tatsächlich da ganz interessante Sachen gezeigt haben, son bisschen über QA und wie schafft man irgendwie verlässliches Knowledge ohne Halluzinationen irgendwie aufzubauen.",{"text":20465,"start":11670,"end":11735},"Ich hab Talks gesehen von Leuten, die wir von der Programmier selber schon kennen, die hier schon mal Speaker oder Gast waren oder bald mal sein werden.",{"text":20467,"start":11738,"end":11830},"Also es war 'n sehr bunt gemischtes Publikum, wie auf jeder Konferenz hat man auch die ein oder andere Niete gezogen, aber nicht, weil der Speaker jetzt irgendwie schlecht ist und sone Zeit thematisch manchmal nicht passt.",162,{"sentences":20470,"speaker":88,"num_words":20480,"start":11833,"end":12209},[20471,20473,20474,20476,20478],{"text":20472,"start":11833,"end":11926},"Aber ich glaub bei, Moment, lass mich kurz mal in die Notizen gucken, über 80 Talks, die es halt irgendwie parallel dann gab, ja, ist es auch okay, wenn am Ende jetzt nicht jeder irgendwie auf einen passt.",{"text":2912,"start":11928,"end":11929},{"text":20475,"start":11929,"end":12098},"Ich hab 'n coolen Talk gesehen über Constrrain Development, was auch für uns tatsächlich superpraktisch wär, so, wenn man sich unsere Spiele anguckt, ne, sowas wie Wordblitz oder Word Search, wie baut man halt so Boards zusammen, wie evaluiert man, wie kann man halt schnell prüfen, ob man die lösen kann und wie schwer die zu lösen sind und so und so, ne?",{"text":20477,"start":12098,"end":12129},"Wie formuliert man diese Constrins und wie bewertet man die am Ende?",{"text":20479,"start":12129,"end":12209},"Und wie kann man diesen Ansatz vielleicht auch nutzen, KI generierten Output irgendwie zu validieren und zu bewerten, dann wieder Reanforcement Learning darauf zu machen und so was.",142,{"sentences":20482,"speaker":88,"num_words":331,"start":12209,"end":12298},[20483,20485,20487,20489,20491],{"text":20484,"start":12209,"end":12236},"War schon, es war schon teilweise sehr technisch auch, ja.",{"text":20486,"start":12238,"end":12242},"Ja, cool.",{"text":20488,"start":12247,"end":12254},"Price Point.",{"text":20490,"start":12258,"end":12295},"Ja, Price Point für mich nichts, weil Programmierer und wir ja wie gesagt eingeladen waren.",{"text":2912,"start":12295,"end":12298},{"sentences":20493,"speaker":88,"num_words":20245,"start":12301,"end":12542},[20494,20496,20498,20500,20502],{"text":20495,"start":12301,"end":12339},"Aber tatsächlich 'n sehr interessantes Pricing Modell, was ich so, glaub ich, noch nicht explizit gesehen hab.",{"text":20497,"start":12343,"end":12394},"Die Deadline hat versucht ein oder hat's auch geschafft, meiner Meinung nach einen sehr zugänglichen Preispunkt zu finden.",{"text":20499,"start":12394,"end":12446},"Ich glaub, das günstigste Ticket kostet knapp unter 100 Euro, 99, 95 irgendwie so was für die 2 Tage.",{"text":20501,"start":12449,"end":12498},"Und hat aber dann so Abstriche wie, Du bist nicht im Abendprogramm eingeladen und hast kein Catering den Tag über.",{"text":20503,"start":12502,"end":12542},"Also was, wenn man sich an die Programmierkunden erinnert, ja auch einfach riesengroßen Kostenpunkte so hinterher.",{"sentences":20505,"speaker":88,"num_words":20516,"start":12542,"end":12850},[20506,20508,20510,20512,20514],{"text":20507,"start":12542,"end":12584},"Du hast dann, kannst dann Getränke kaufen und kannst auch Essen kaufen, alles kein kein Ding.",{"text":20509,"start":12588,"end":12621},"Aber da wird halt son bisschen gespart, quasi das dafür mehr zugänglich zu machen.",{"text":20511,"start":12623,"end":12688},"Und dann gab's das reguläre Ticket, was so bei, ich glaub, 2, 300 Euro dann lag, je nachdem, Early Bird, bla bla bla.",{"text":20513,"start":12690,"end":12749},"Und dann geht's noch weiter mit, es gab auch son Fast Lane Pass, was so voll in dieses Freizeitparkmotto irgendwie rein ist.",{"text":20515,"start":12749,"end":12850},"Es gab in jedem Raum so vorne eine reservierte Reihe an Stühlen, die Du halt nur nehmen könntest, wenn Du irgendwie im Fast Fan Pass warst und musst es nicht anstrengen, kannst da direkt rein.",110,{"sentences":20518,"speaker":88,"num_words":20529,"start":12853,"end":13251},[20519,20521,20523,20525,20527],{"text":20520,"start":12853,"end":12936},"Also was von der Idee wahrscheinlich interessant wär, hab ich auch schon mal auf anderen Veranstaltungen gesehen, aber dadurch, dass halt, wie gesagt, fast immer überall genug Sitzplätze da waren, hat das son bisschen Ja.",{"text":20522,"start":12939,"end":12983},"Also hat das son bisschen leicht ironisch gewirkt, wenn Du mit deinem Fastleben passt und da bist.",{"text":20524,"start":12987,"end":13113},"Ja, und es gab dann noch son, ich glaub, Executive Visionary oder nur Visional, wo dann halt noch zu sonem Industrie und son dediziertes Dinnerevent abends irgendwie noch alles hat, das sind so, also das kennt man ja auch von 1 Veranstaltung so.",{"text":20526,"start":13113,"end":13138},"Aber ich glaub, 99 Euro als Preispunkt ist sehr, so.",{"text":20528,"start":13138,"end":13251},"Und selbst wenn man die, wie gesagt, zwei-, 300 Euro, je nach Olli Bird oder wann auch immer man das kauft, für den normalen Pass für 6 Talks am Tag, 2 Tage lang mit Rahmenprogramm und Verpflegung ist, glaube ich, fair.",146,{"sentences":20531,"speaker":88,"num_words":20159,"start":13255,"end":13274},[20532],{"text":20533,"start":13255,"end":13274},"Zumal die Location wahrscheinlich auch nicht günstig ist.",{"sentences":20535,"speaker":109,"num_words":20159,"start":13276,"end":13298},[20536],{"text":20537,"start":13276,"end":13298},"Und hattest Du dann son Armbändchen oder wie?",{"sentences":20539,"speaker":88,"num_words":20548,"start":13298,"end":13453},[20540,20541,20543,20545,20547],{"text":2912,"start":13298,"end":13301},{"text":20542,"start":13305,"end":13364},"Das war wie son All Inclusive Club, also hast Du dein dein Bett gehabt, generell rein- und rauszukommen und so.",{"text":20544,"start":13364,"end":13418},"Und dann hast Du noch son Armmännchen gekriegt für, darfst Du halt irgendwie Essen, Trinken, bla bla bla.",{"text":20546,"start":13418,"end":13450},"Dann musst Du da in die Schlange und dich bezahlen oder so was.",{"text":376,"start":13452,"end":13453},53,{"sentences":20550,"speaker":109,"num_words":20554,"start":13453,"end":13524},[20551,20552],{"text":2912,"start":13453,"end":13457},{"text":20553,"start":13457,"end":13524},"Und Essen, Du hast eben schon kurz ein Gewinn, das war dann, ist in den in den normalen Restaurants oder was auch immer, wie man sie nennt,",28,{"sentences":20556,"speaker":88,"num_words":20276,"start":13527,"end":13701},[20557,20559,20561,20562,20563],{"text":20558,"start":13527,"end":13596},"Genau, es sind ja im im Parks sind ja unendlich viele von diesen Quick Service Restaurants irgendwie verteilt und auch son paar Fast Food Läden und so.",{"text":20560,"start":13596,"end":13616},"Und da hatten dann halt immer unterschiedliche offen.",{"text":2557,"start":13616,"end":13619},{"text":2561,"start":13619,"end":13622},{"text":20564,"start":13626,"end":13701},"Und da konntest Du dann halt irgendwie, manchmal war's der der Pizzaladen, manchmal war's der Burgerladen, manchmal war's die Eisdiele, konntest Du den ganzen Tag über verteilt also irgendwie was holen.",{"sentences":20566,"speaker":88,"num_words":19822,"start":13704,"end":13845},[20567,20569,20570,20572,20574],{"text":20568,"start":13704,"end":13730},"Das war auch irgendwie nötig, weil es gab keine dedizierte Mittagspause.",{"text":2557,"start":13733,"end":13734},{"text":20571,"start":13734,"end":13771},"Das fand ich 'n bisschen strange und hab ich so, glaub ich, noch nicht erlebt.",{"text":20573,"start":13774,"end":13837},"Sondern Du musst halt irgendwie entweder einen Slot aussitzen oder dir irgendwie in 15 Minuten zwischen 2 Talks superschnell was holen und dann weiter zur nächsten Session.",{"text":20575,"start":13840,"end":13845},"Aber auch",{"sentences":20577,"speaker":109,"num_words":20159,"start":13845,"end":13866},[20578],{"text":20579,"start":13845,"end":13866},"bei mir daran Ende ist ja nur Esser.",{"sentences":20581,"speaker":88,"num_words":19994,"start":13870,"end":13913},[20582,20584,20586,20587],{"text":20583,"start":13870,"end":13893},"Aber die Restaurants haben dich die ganze Zeit über Aufmacke.",{"text":20585,"start":13897,"end":13903},"Also nicht Alle.",{"text":2561,"start":13903,"end":13905},{"text":20588,"start":13905,"end":13913},"Gut, ja.",{"sentences":20590,"speaker":109,"num_words":19897,"start":13915,"end":13953},[20591],{"text":20592,"start":13915,"end":13953},"Natürlich bin ich eigentlich hingefahren, wir haben nur 8 davon zu fahren, als Zweiduktion.",{"sentences":20594,"speaker":88,"num_words":20276,"start":13953,"end":14131},[20595,20597,20599,20600,20602],{"text":20596,"start":13953,"end":13970},"Esser halt nur gegessen nur.",{"text":20598,"start":13974,"end":13982},"Ich muss auch sagen.",{"text":376,"start":13982,"end":13984},{"text":20601,"start":13986,"end":14055},"Ich war, als ich das gesehen hab, war ich son müh skeptisch, weil ich dachte, boah, so Freizeitpark ist jetzt auch nicht unbedingt für sein Catering bekannt.",{"text":20603,"start":14059,"end":14131},"Aber ich glaub, dadurch, dass sie halt 'n sehr viel entspannteren Betrieb hatten und für sehr viel weniger Leute dann irgendwie da waren, war's von der Qualität schon auch recht gut.",{"sentences":20605,"speaker":109,"num_words":19850,"start":14133,"end":14157},[20606],{"text":20607,"start":14133,"end":14157},"Nee, ich seh im Europa Park so ganz toll.",{"sentences":20609,"speaker":88,"num_words":19857,"start":14160,"end":14187},[20610],{"text":20611,"start":14160,"end":14187},"Wie gesagt, ich war 10 Jahre lang, ich kann das jetzt nicht",{"sentences":20613,"speaker":109,"num_words":19977,"start":14189,"end":14247},[20614],{"text":20615,"start":14189,"end":14247},"Das ist auch eine der Sachen, die ich nicht beurteilen kann, weil dafür habe ich keine Zeit, wenn ich im Europapark bin tatsächlich für Essen.",{"sentences":20617,"speaker":88,"num_words":20070,"start":14247,"end":14295},[20618],{"text":20619,"start":14247,"end":14295},"Aber Aber Du stehst doch so oft in der Schlange an, da kann man doch nebenbei irgendwie was essen, oder?",{"sentences":20621,"speaker":109,"num_words":19857,"start":14295,"end":14326},[20622,20624],{"text":20623,"start":14295,"end":14320},"Ich feier ich feier immer nur, wenn's keine Schlangen gibt.",{"text":20625,"start":14320,"end":14326},"Ach so.",{"sentences":20627,"speaker":88,"num_words":19877,"start":14326,"end":14331},[20628,20629],{"text":2912,"start":14326,"end":14328},{"text":2912,"start":14328,"end":14331},{"sentences":20631,"speaker":109,"num_words":20208,"start":14333,"end":14511},[20632,20634,20636,20638],{"text":20633,"start":14333,"end":14364},"Und dann gibt es, also weil es gibt ja schon sehr themenspezifische Sachen, ne.",{"text":20635,"start":14364,"end":14438},"Also es ist ja so, dass die ganzen Restaurants an den Themen hängen, von der Crèmeparie in Frankreich, über das Raclette Essen in der Schweiz und so weiter.",{"text":20637,"start":14441,"end":14506},"Pottey glaube ich schon, dass es wahrscheinlich nicht der Schlechteste ist, was ich gehört habe, aber ich hab's auch selbst noch nicht oft benutzt, probiert benutzt.",{"text":376,"start":14510,"end":14511},{"sentences":20640,"speaker":88,"num_words":20650,"start":14514,"end":14662},[20641,20643,20645,20647,20648],{"text":20642,"start":14514,"end":14549},"Vielleicht einen Punkt noch, weil wir grade noch bei den Talks waren, weil Ja.",{"text":20644,"start":14551,"end":14577},"Ich glaub, wir da auch bei der Programmiererin drüber gesprochen haben.",{"text":20646,"start":14577,"end":14590},"Es gab Aufnahmen von allen Talks.",{"text":2557,"start":14590,"end":14594},{"text":20649,"start":14598,"end":14662},"Außer einzelne Speaker, ne, kannst Du jederzeit sagen, ich möcht das nicht oder so, aber ich hab im Nachgang noch mal reingeguckt.",54,{"sentences":20652,"speaker":88,"num_words":19910,"start":14666,"end":14962},[20653,20655,20657,20659,20661],{"text":20654,"start":14666,"end":14733},"Fast alle, wo ich jetzt stichprobenartig mal geschaut hab, gab's eigentlich auch als Talk und die Likes dazu und das direkt Tage nach dem Event.",{"text":20656,"start":14736,"end":14836},"Es gab auch den Maintrack die ganze Zeit als Stream, wenn Du ihn mobil irgendwie schauen wolltest, was superprakt war, weil ich einmal zwischendrin ins Hotelzimmer musste und irgendwie was hier Arbeit am CMS was machen musste.",{"text":20658,"start":14836,"end":14873},"Da hab ich einfach nebenbei aufm Fernseher im Hotelzimmer irgendwie den Maintrack weiterfolgt.",{"text":20660,"start":14873,"end":14890},"Das war auch irgendwie cool, so, ja.",{"text":20662,"start":14893,"end":14962},"Und im Nachgang jetzt noch mal irgendwie ein, 2 Talks sich sich anzuschauen oder da noch mal irgendwie in die Slides irgendwie reingucken zu können oder was wurde da und dazu gesagt?",{"sentences":20664,"speaker":88,"num_words":20667,"start":14966,"end":15021},[20665],{"text":20666,"start":14966,"end":15021},"Ist eigentlich auch nicht schlecht und ist auch im im Pricing dann mit drin, dass da Zugriff auf das ganze Archiv dann so.",23,{"sentences":20669,"speaker":109,"num_words":19897,"start":15023,"end":15058},[20670],{"text":20671,"start":15023,"end":15058},"Hast Du grad die Programmierkunden in dem Kontext erwähnt als Verbesserungspotenzial von uns, oder?",{"sentences":20673,"speaker":88,"num_words":19780,"start":15058,"end":15137},[20674],{"text":20675,"start":15058,"end":15137},"Ja, Du hast es doch mal gesagt, dass Du dir eigentlich wünschst, dass unsere Talks so direkt quasi, nachdem der Speaker von der Bühne geht, müssten die eigentlich online schon verfügbar sein.",{"sentences":20677,"speaker":109,"num_words":19850,"start":15137,"end":15163},[20678,20680,20681,20682,20683],{"text":20679,"start":15137,"end":15145},"Mehr oder weniger.",{"text":2561,"start":15148,"end":15149},{"text":2912,"start":15149,"end":15151},{"text":2912,"start":15151,"end":15153},{"text":20684,"start":15157,"end":15163},"Okay, ja cool.",{"sentences":20686,"speaker":109,"num_words":20689,"start":15166,"end":15257},[20687],{"text":20688,"start":15166,"end":15257},"Ja, ich mein, grade bei der Talkvielfalt, ne, wenn Du da irgendwie einfach 2 Tage diese 80 hast, das ist ja noch mal 'n extremer Mehrwert, wenn halt einfach ausgeschlossen ist, dass Du 'n Großteil nicht mitbekommst.",37,{"sentences":20691,"speaker":88,"num_words":20064,"start":15260,"end":15339},[20692],{"text":20693,"start":15260,"end":15339},"Ja, also ich hab mir jetzt auch für unseren nächsten Personal Growth, der hier son paar Bookmarks Okay, dann guck ich mir noch mal 2, 3 von den Talks oder so da an.",{"sentences":20695,"speaker":109,"num_words":20701,"start":15339,"end":15380},[20696,20697,20699],{"text":2912,"start":15339,"end":15342},{"text":20698,"start":15345,"end":15349},"Cool, cool.",{"text":20700,"start":15351,"end":15380},"Dann guck ich mir auf meine Notizen, was ich noch fragen wollte.",15,{"sentences":20703,"speaker":88,"num_words":20689,"start":15383,"end":15470},[20704,20706],{"text":20705,"start":15383,"end":15422},"Ich seh ich seh im Spiegel, was deine Notizen sind übrigens hier so hinter dir, ne?",{"text":20707,"start":15422,"end":15470},"Ich glaub, ich weiß nicht, ob alle das, ob Sieht man das auf deinem Video jetzt auch, was deine Notizen sind?",{"sentences":20709,"speaker":109,"num_words":19867,"start":15470,"end":15482},[20710],{"text":20711,"start":15470,"end":15482},"Das weiß ich nicht genau.",{"sentences":20713,"speaker":88,"num_words":19850,"start":15482,"end":15508},[20714,20716,20718],{"text":20715,"start":15482,"end":15491},"Ah ja, doch.",{"text":20717,"start":15491,"end":15500},"Ja, ja, doch.",{"text":20719,"start":15500,"end":15508},"Hinter dir so.",{"sentences":20721,"speaker":109,"num_words":20292,"start":15508,"end":15564},[20722,20724,20725],{"text":20723,"start":15508,"end":15524},"Kann man kann man schon sehen.",{"text":2912,"start":15527,"end":15528},{"text":20726,"start":15528,"end":15564},"Na ja, hier steht ja ganz offensichtlich noch die Frage, wärst Du gern noch",{"sentences":20728,"speaker":88,"num_words":19801,"start":15564,"end":15698},[20729,20731,20733,20735,20737],{"text":20730,"start":15564,"end":15578},"mal was anderes gefragt worden?",{"text":20732,"start":15581,"end":15597},"Wie kommst Du denn auf diese Frage?",{"text":20734,"start":15597,"end":15619},"Hätte er hat er 'n Deal gepatcht?",{"text":20736,"start":15623,"end":15695},"Also, was ich immer so am Ende wichtig finde, wenn man sich sone Konferenz anschaut, ist so, würd ich halt noch mal hin oder würd ich die meinem Team empfehlen?",{"text":2557,"start":15695,"end":15698},{"sentences":20739,"speaker":88,"num_words":20444,"start":15698,"end":15812},[20740,20742],{"text":20741,"start":15698,"end":15736},"Ne, das das das ja am Ende eigentlich das Einzige, was zählt, so.",{"text":20743,"start":15738,"end":15812},"Und auch für alle, die jetzt irgendwie zuhören, ich mein, die haben ja jetzt dieses Jahr die Chance verpasst, aber die Frage ist ja, empfehlen wir das irgendwie für nächstes Jahr?",{"sentences":20745,"speaker":109,"num_words":20755,"start":15812,"end":15941},[20746,20748,20749,20751,20753],{"text":20747,"start":15812,"end":15878},"Übrigens an der Stelle sowohl für die Javaland als auch für die, also da sind Sie recht zuversichtlich, dass es dafür noch 'n Zielpublikum gibt.",{"text":2912,"start":15878,"end":15880},{"text":20750,"start":15883,"end":15894},"Aber gibt es schon Genau.",{"text":20752,"start":15898,"end":15912},"Bereits Termine für nächstes Jahr?",{"text":20754,"start":15912,"end":15941},"Also die nächste wird vom dritten bis zum fünften März stattfinden.",47,{"sentences":20757,"speaker":109,"num_words":19994,"start":15941,"end":15983},[20758],{"text":20759,"start":15941,"end":15983},"Das heißt von vielleicht nicht den, der Masse an Besucherinnen haben sie sich nicht abschrecken lassen.",{"sentences":20761,"speaker":88,"num_words":20772,"start":15986,"end":16281},[20762,20764,20766,20768,20770],{"text":20763,"start":15986,"end":16020},"Ja, also wie gesagt, ich hatte ja im Vorfeld son bisschen mit Ihnen gesprochen.",{"text":20765,"start":16020,"end":16085},"Ich glaube, Sie sehen das schon auch so als, Sie müssen da jetzt 2, 3 Jahre vielleicht son etwas längeren Atem haben und das halt irgendwie aufbauen.",{"text":20767,"start":16085,"end":16152},"Also ich mein, auch das haben wir ja mit der Programmiercom gesehen, Du kriegst nicht von heut auf morgen irgendwie 500 Entwickler irgendwoher, ja.",{"text":20769,"start":16155,"end":16217},"Und da hat vielleicht der Europa Park so cooler als Location ist, ein eine ähnliche Challenge wie die Saline, die ja auch hier eine coole Location ist.",{"text":20771,"start":16219,"end":16281},"Aber es ist ja auch jetzt nicht Berlin, Frankfurt oder München, wo quasi die Developer alle vor deiner Haustür wohnen und sie einfach 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